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I guess depending on how you define famous and valuable. I would agree it’s the most famous, as far as valuable, it’s 8th place.
It all depends on how one defines famous, largest, and most valuable. I agree a person is more likely to assign more 'fame' on the Prancing Horse is over Two Ovals. In terms of value, Toyota is worth more than Ferrari, in several metrics, brand value, market cap, top line, and bottom line. Ferrari has over Toyota the profit per unit, as well as records on most valuable cars at auction. Ferrari is also within the top 10 by market cap, With folks enamoured by the 'last of' - if this is the swan song for the V12, that would help for sure.
No way the Puro would be their last v12.... what's up next? the 812 successor? I'd think cars like the Icona series like the Daytona SP3 could always get that.... especially if they're limited builds Honestly, for those type of cars, I'm surprised they haven't made one yet with a gated stick shift as well.... collectors would be all over that. Any mass production model though has got to be going the way of v6 + batteries (if not 100% electric) for all the new fuel regulation nazis
Please dont do the changes you say. Put the PS in its own forum, but leave the 456 and 550 together. Way to many similarities. Same era, Nearly the same car from a mechanical and maintenance standpoint, and many shared parts.
I guess that makes sense... was only a suggestion based on the type as that's been the succession for those models
I saw it today at the Vegas dealer. Its actually quite attractive. I like how the hood slopes down. Really strong "coke bottle" like carving into the door sills. Masculine albeit I imagine quiet a few will be owned or driven by women (no, that's not a knock on the car. Its no 296 GTB and not intended to be one either). Very "un-truck like". It will turn heads.
Indeed, I think the Pista, F8, and 812 will valued by many enthusiasts for just that reason. I can see all future Ferrari have some hybridization.
I don’t think it’s the last V12. Just last non hybrid V12. I can’t see the 812 replacement being under 1,000 hp. For that you either need to turbo or…. also, keep in mind some the sort of very mild hybrid systems you see in MB cars.
The 812 replacement is a Grand Tourer it doesn't need any more power I would only expect a token 50hp increase. Style, Handling and weight reduction and what's key now.
When I spoke to my friend who runs my local dealer, I asked him about getting an 812 or F8... thinking both would be last of their kind... he said ABSOLUTELY not, The F8 WILL be the last non hybrid mid engine V8 but the 812 will NOT be the last non hybrid V12 car-- he said they already told the dealers there will be a replacement.... and for that reason among others, he suggested I go for the F8-- which is where I was going anyway but was curious about the 812.
You might be right, though I doubt Ferrari will give up in the horsepower wars. A family car with 1,000 horsepower can be had today for 1/4 the cost. Lucid's next vehicle has 1,200. I see them on the road all the time. Frankly, I never thought I would see the day Ferrari enthusiasts on a Ferrari forum would say fewer horses is the way forward.
Ferrari never jumped on the hp war like so many other have. Ferrari have such a strong brand and have massive market coverage and in multiple markets. They will have no issues selling what they produce. For everyone customer consumed by more hp that goes else where there are 10 more people waiting to take that spot. It's like top speed, it use to be a massive thing then it got to a point where most walked away. Now with all these EVs with 1000 - 2000 hp its going to end up the same way. I think the Road toll over the next 10 years is going to jump with all these cheap over powered family EV in the hands of people that don't have the skill or understanding how dangerous there family car has become. The Key to winning the EV battle is weight reduction and longer life, lite weight powerful batteries. It was hard to see that 10 years ago, almost unthinkable 20 years ago. But we are now at the point where more horse power doesn't make us any faster. so why have it if you can't use it.
F167 the 812 Replacement will have 830 to 850 bhp and will be front engined naturally aspirated V12 NON-HYBRID. But after this one, no more for regular production.
I'd say the F167 will have about 850 to 870hp. I say this because the 812 C has 819hp. Doing this will leave about 20 - 40hp before the V12 is tapped out, that extra can then go to the F167 Vs which will be a limited final V12 NA send off. The f167 will give us more time to deal with the real issue the world has all these corrupt politicians. Solve that mess and the V12 will be here to stay.
I highly highly highly doubt the F167 will have net bhp eclipsing 850 nevermind 870. MAYBE the F167 Versione Speciale will approach those numbers but the regular production car? No way. Look at how incremental the difference is between the race inspired limited edition models of 812C and SP3 Daytona. Also Ferrari does not need to push the envelope further than 830bhp in order to sell every F167 they can make. Remember, the 812 Superfast has 789bhp. They do not need a 50+ bhp jump. It’s going to have right around 835 bhp and a base price of right around $435k usd. You heard it here.
As I said in the other thread: While more hp doesn't translate to more useable power, there would be about a 50hp token addon on. The real keys for the F167: N/A V12, Styling/Design, Weight reduction and handling/downforce. I also said they don't need to add horse power to sell. But that said a small token increase goes without saying. Specially given this is the Last N/A V12. There may or may not be a N/A Vs so around that 850ish is the sweet spot to hit. Only one of the Top 3 models is going to be V12 and that's the F167 making it the Flagship V12 model, no more V12 Halo model either. -F12 730hp +39hp -F12 TDF 769hp +20 -812 789hp +30 -812 Comp 819hp + -F167 Based on the past models my numbers are in the ballpark. Better to go out with a BANG than a fizzle I would also say the Current V12 hp will max out at around 870 - 890 hp might as well use it on the last N/A
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