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  1. MDEL

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    I thought it was Rosso Dino but it isn’t. The name of that rare colour is Arancio Vaguely Metallizzato.
     
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    George, do you have a picture of those? What I saw at the dealer (USA market) was a picture that looked like the standard wheel in the glossy Grigio Corsa. I am very excited about the PS.
     
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    In the 1960s' Pininfarina Ferrari Colors were based on the names of legendary thoroughbreds/race horses.
    Such as:

    COLOR NAME+CODE, RACE HORSE NAME, ORIGIN, YEAR OF BIRTH.
    Arancio Vaguely Noble 95.3.2943, Vaguely Noble, Ireland, 1965.
    Azzurro Gladiateur 2.666.101, Gladiateur, France, 1862.
    Argento Le Sancy 2.443.048, Le Sancy, France, 1884.
    Grigio Le Sancy 2.443.009, Le Sancy, France, 1884.
    Nero Dark Ronald 2.667.004, Dark Ronald, Ireland, 1905.
    Avorio The Tetrarch 1.441.110, The Tetrarch, Ireland, 1911.
    Bianco Tetratema 1.441.110, Tetratema, Great Britain, 1917.
    Celeste Gainsborough 2.443.625, Gainsborough, Great Britain, 1915.
    Giallo Man O’War 2.669.028, Man O'War, USA, 1917.
    Viola Blanford Stalvert, Blanford, Ireland, 1919.
    Marrone Colorado 2.443.221, Colorado, Great Britain, 1923.
    Grigio Ortello 2.443.813, Ortello, Italy, 1926.
    Verde Blenheim 2.443.578, Blenheim 'II', Great Britain, 1927.
    Blu Tourbillon 2.443.607, Tourbillon, France, .1928.
    Azzurro Hyperion 2.443.648, Hyperion, Great Britain, 1930.
    Verde Bahram 2.443.546, Bahram, Great Britain, 1932.
    Grigio Mahmoud 2.443.931, Mahmoud, France, 1933.
    Rosso Nearco 2.664.032, Nearco, Italy, 1935.
    Amaranto Bull Lea 2.443.413, Bull Lea, USA, 1935.
    Oro Nasrullah 2.443.248, Nasrullah, Great Britain, 1940.
    Blu Caracalla 2.666.901, Caracalla, France, 1942.
    Blu Ribot 2.443.631, Ribot, Great Britain, 1952.
    Oro Kelso 2.443.214, Kelso, USA, 1957.
    Blu Turchese Molvedo 2.443.632, Molvedo, Italy, 1958.
    Verde Sea-Bird 2.665.902, Sea-Bird, France, 1962.
    Rosso Sir Ivor 95.3.9301, Sir Ivor, USA, 1965.
    Verde Medio Nyjinski (Italver), Nyjinski 'II', Canada, 1967.
    Blu Ortis 95.3.6159, Ortis, Italy, 1967.
    Giallo My Swallow 95.3.2643, My Swallow, Great Britain, 1968.
    Blu Acapulco 2.443.631, Acapulco, Venezuela, 1969.
    etc.

    See also the multi-page color article by Alexandre Lafond, Pierre Coquet and Marcel Massini in the Club Ferrari France Yearbook 2016.
    Today Ferrari is re-using these color names.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  5. MDEL

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    Marcel thank you for the explanation. Very interesting.
     
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    Thank you. Thats the same wheel I saw at the dealer.


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    Top-Gear published this article yesterday where it makes a comparison between the Purosangue and the DBX 707 accompanied by pictures as only they know how to do. I highlighted in the article some of the things that seemed most relevant to me. However, Top Gear's conclusion is that the Purosangue is in every way a unique car in a class that Ferrari created.


    “But not something entirely new. It’s basically a GTC4Lusso with a lie kit. Look at the profile, the silhouette above the shoulder line. See what I mean? And the relationship with the sadly defunct shooting brake goes more than skin deep – this also has a V12 and uses the same power take-off from the front of the engine to deliver torque to the front wheels. “

    “The Purosangue drives like a sports car. Drives like a Ferrari sports car in fact. It doesn’t feel tall because it’s not (a Hyundai Ioniq 5 is taller), so it scoots around corners with verve and aggression and not the lean and heave associated with SUVs. And it’s got an unadulterated, unhybridised V12 that barks and spits and snarls. You sit low and far back, and nothing about this experience feels SUVish. It’s a GT, an 812 with an extra pair of seats.

    Ferrari Purosangue vs Aston Martin DBX707

    “Ferrari has created something unique then. It also tells us it’s in a class of one and has no rivals. And then says we can have one for a few days to group test it. Against what, exactly? Ferrari has thought of that and very considerately supplied us with a list of cars it perceives as rivals and that we are ‘permitted’ to test it against: Lamborghini Urus, Rolls-Royce Cullinan, Aston Martin DBX707 and Bentley Bentayga. The only rival I’m really interested in is the Urus. Same sporting philosophy and Italian aggression. Lamborghini refuses to supply a car – the price difference means they’re not rivals, apparently. How about the Rolls? It’s not sporting, but it’s the same money and also has rear-opening doors. Rolls declines.”

    So here’s the snag. Ferrari doesn’t want us to test it against cars it doesn’t believe are rivals, and those that it does declare as rivals don’t want to get involved. Now, this never stops TG, we could have borrowed cars from owners or dealers, we could have thrown in a peskily talented Porsche Cayenne. But we’ve driven them all, so we can talk about them. “

    “Where the Ferrari has the lead – not only over the Aston, but over everything in this class – is in its road manners and sophistication. The chassis is stiffer and that gives the suspension a better platform to work from. It not only rides more smoothly than the Aston, it’s more refined too. It’s also leagues better than an Urus, which is pretty choppy. “

    “Across Salisbury Plain the Purosangue felt more tied down, accurate and satisfying. There’s a charm to the Aston’s looser dynamics – once it starts sliding at the back it doesn’t really want to stop – but it’s woollier around the edges, there’s a looseness to its responses that the tightly controlled Ferrari punishes. The Purosangue’s sole dynamic glitch is a slight lack of steering feel and tenacity, but otherwise the chassis balance, accuracy and satisfaction trounce anything any rival can throw at it – up to and including the Cayenne. That’s the car the Ferrari feels most like in its short, well controlled suspension travel, but every time you open the taps on that V12 you’re reminded just how exotic this car actually is. The Purosangue may weigh 2.2 tonnes, but speed is effortless when you’ve got 80 per cent of peak torque available at 2,100rpm. It’s a special, special engine. “

    “The sharp, sniffy steering just knocks an edge off long haul ability, and there’s a bit more road rumble and fidget than in a Bentayga, but the Purosangue has the gait of a gazelle. Distance just... happens. The long bonnet and constrained glass area does make it a difficult car in tight spots but, as we’ve said before, compromise isn’t necessarily wrong here. These cars are brand extensions, they should reflect the attributes of the core models – and this feels just as aligned to a 296 or 812 as the DBX does to a DB12. Also, the rear doors are genius. They’re a talking point and they allow elegant egress. “

    “Unfortunately, so too is interacting with the haptic controls up front. Ferrari, you fit these on all your cars, and they’re terrible. Ditch them, please. Using the DBX’s not-a-touchscreen is less infuriating than your hopeless swipe pads.”

    “So here’s the score. Ferrari has started with a blank sheet of paper, it’s looked at what everyone else has done, doubtless noted that, by and large, they have to use other people’s cast offs (Rolls from BMW, Lambo and Bentley from the VW Group), and seen where it can do it differently and retain more of its DNA. I loved the GTC4Lusso, but admit it was a tricky four seater. This isn’t. OK, it can’t and won’t replace the Range Rover in your garage, but this is not an either/or purchase. The others are – you’re not going to have a DBX or Bentayga and a Range Rover, there’s too much overlap. Ferrari has done something clever here, it really has found a slot and plugged it. It’s set a template. The question now is will anyone copy it? McLaren, we’re looking at you. “

    Ferrari Purosangue 9/10

    Aston Martin DBX707 8/10




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  16. Caeruleus11

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    Excellent find Mario thank you for posting this- great to read.
     
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    Jerry, when I read the first line of this Top-Gear article what you wrote in December 2017, when this thread was started and when we were all trying to imagine what a hypothetical future SUV made by Ferrari could be, immediately came to mind and I will paraphrase:

    " My very humble suggestion, simply a passionate Ferrarista to Ferrari: if you need some other elements of the SUV, such as extra doors, or a little more ride height, then I think you should make a "LWB" version of the GTC4. Maybe 4" longer- all for the back seat- and maybe 1.5" higher and you could add back doors- perhaps in a way where they are more disguised than in other cars. This would not be a SUV, but simply a little bit more practical GTC4 (a practical car already). And please keep the V12."

    If there were any doubts Top-Gear reconfirms with this article that Ferrari incorporated all your suggestions into de Purosangue.:)
     
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    Ha! Thanks Mario, thats very kind. I think it was just somewhat obvious as to the path they would likely take. I have to say, I am super excited about the Purosangue. These are not inexpensive vehicles, and you’ll pay the full price- but- please allow me to indulge my enthusiasm for a moment- to say grazie mille to Ferrari for making the Purosangue. They really could have not made it. Sure they’d probably be leaving some money on the table, but I doubt it’s truly necessary for their business. They developed this for the market, but, at least to my eyes, it’s a bit of a love letter to the V12 4 seater. I think it makes the world of cars more interesting. Which I truly appreciate.


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    would love to see white wheels on a black puro!
     
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    Fake as well, its the same car as above with the photoshopped THP Wheels
     
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    The picture shows a Purosangue sprawled on the back of a Lamborghini Veneno Roadster. As the Veneno comes from a series in which only 9 units were produced and with a current market value of over $10 million, imagine the cost that this accident could have represented for the insurance company. Fortunately, this is just a rendering resulting from someone's imagination.


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    As a former DBX 707 owner who despised the non touch screen interface so much that I sold the vehicle, when they say the Puro is WORSE, I’m very concerned.
     
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    Fortunately they have not turned the throttle pedal into haptics [emoji4]

    I admire Ferrari for trying, but maybe theres a reason why everyone has gone to some kind of central mounted touch screen. I wonder if Bentley has a good idea going with its screen which can flip around and hide behind a nice panel. I thought the Lusso had a pretty good setup.


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