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The (temporary) Return Of M. Schumacher

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  1. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    Tony, you have backers here! He is a total "package" - very personable, very articulate, team oriented, family oriented, best driver ever, obviously a versatile driver -> karts, F1, LeMans, race bikes, etc. I think it would be a hoot if Ross "somehow" drafted him over to Honda!

    Carol
     
  2. Ambassiatore

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    ...I do.terribly.

    this guy is just amazingly fast, poised, charismatic...I miss his helmet over the F1 Ferrari cockpit.

    although I have to admit our two guys can put up a fight...;)
     
  3. Tifoso1

    Tifoso1 F1 Rookie

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    I do too. IMO, it is not only his racing abilities that is amazing, but like Carol said, and IMO, he is the most complete package in F1 history. Part of me really wants to see him back, but part of me also understands why he does not, family, politics or whatever reason. I only hope that he stays with Ferrari forever and I firmly believe that he will eventually become the team priniciple someday.

    +1. Not funny about the Honda thing. :)
     
  4. rodolfo

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    Tiempos Test F1 Barcelona-Tiempos a las 11:50


    1.- M. Schumacher-1:21.486-22 vueltas.
    2.- De la Rosa-1:22.246-19 vueltas.
    3.- D. Coulthard-1:22.655-23 vueltas.
    4.- G. Paffet-1:22.706-18 vueltas.
    5.- H. Kovalainen-1:22.808-30 vueltas.
    6.- N. Heidfeld-1:23.382-23 vueltas.
    7.- R.Kubica-1:23.488-23 vueltas.
    8.- S. Bourdais-1:23.596-27 vueltas.
    9.- A. Davidson-1:23.723-26 vueltas.
    10.- S. Vettel-1:23.781-24 vueltas.
    11.- N. Rosberg-1:23.906-18 vueltas.
    12.- Chandhok-1:24.021-24 vueltas.
    13.- S. Nakajima-1:24.326-37 vueltas.
    14.- J. Button-1:24.500-22 vueltas.
    15.- A. Sutil-1:24.669-42 vueltas.
    16.- C.Klien-1:26.276-40 vueltas.
    17.- V. Liuzzi-1:26.457-23 vueltas.
    18.- J. Trulli- -3 vueltas.
    19.- F. Montagni- -2 vueltas.
    20. F. Massa- -1 vuelta.
     
  5. ProCoach

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  6. tifosi12

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    +1

    Whoa, he beat Vettel! Not bad. Looking forward to 08.
     
  7. ProCoach

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    Oops. End of the day, courtesy Autosport:

    Today's times:

    Pos Driver Team Time Laps
    1. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1.21.486 90
    2. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:21.857 60
    3. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:21.894 65
    4. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:22.044 56
    5. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.293 57
    6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.333 64
    7. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:22.555 74
    8. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:22.946 102
    9. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:23.031 77
    10. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:23.187 74
    11. Chandhok Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:23.255 57
    12. Button Honda (B) 1:23.358 79
    13. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:23.465 54
    14. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:23.488 37
    15. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:23.547 80
    16. Filippi Honda (B) 1:23.596 74
    17. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:23.753 72
    18. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:23.977 45
    19. Klien Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:24.446 56
    20. Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:23.537 105
    21. Liuzzi Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:24.555 55
     
  8. tifosi12

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    Oops. 2008 will be interesting. :)
     
  9. kizdan

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    Unfortunately, testing times are absolutely meaningless for the spectator. We have no clue how the cars are configured, what they are testing, etc, etc. The teams are not going to share what they are testing with the public either.

    I wouldn't read too much into Nakajima's faster time at all.
     
  10. Senna3xWC

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    ahem...you mean the greatest living driver on the planet, don't you... ;)
     
  11. speedy_sam

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    Be careful, I could call Tazio back and he would whip your puny 3 time champ. :D
     
  12. tifosi12

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    You are taking this discussion in the wrong direction. People should focus on today's times particularly the difference between #1 and #4.
     
  13. Far Out

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    We don't know which setup they were driving. Maybe Schumacher was on a more extreme setup. Anyway, we knew what Schumacher did when Massa was his teammate, why should it be different today? Yes, he hasn't been driving F1 cars for one year (or has he? Can't imagine he didn't do a couple of laps 'round Fiorano occasionally), but he has huge experience in non-TC cars (wheras Massa doesn't), and, well, he's just still the best :D
     
  14. Ambassiatore

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    ...now you are taking it in the wrong direction... ;)

    People should focus on today's difference between #1 and the rest...given that he´s being out of an F1 car for a year, with NO traction control, and a car developed for "other" two drivers in mind, with diferent tires...
     
  15. kizdan

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    Would be kind of hard to have the greatest driver, not living, racing, don't you think?
     
  16. Senna3xWC

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    Here come the excuses... :rolleyes:
     
  17. Far Out

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    If you define "possible reasons for today's times" as "excuse", then, yes, it's an excuse. Nevertheless, I think it's interesting that some guys here only accept "Massa sucks" as a valid explanation for anything... claiming that he is an average midpack driver doesn't do him justice, Ferrari aren't stupid, there is a reason why they hired him...
     
  18. omgjon

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    +1
     
  19. Senna3xWC

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    Yes...Nicolas Todt
     
  20. bennett

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  21. tifosi12

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    Does anybody have the test times from today?
     
  22. speedy_sam

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    I think Schumacher was supposed to run for 2 days only. I am not sure if there was a third day in the test?
     
  23. tifosi12

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  24. PBRacer

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    Barcelona* - 15/11/2007
    1 . H. Kovalainen - Renault R27 - 1:20.659 (+ 0.000 ) - 81 laps
    2 . F. Massa - Ferrari F2007 - 1:21.011 (+ 0.352 ) - 92 laps
    3 . F. Montagny - Toyota TF107 - 1:21.363 (+ 0.704 ) - 85 laps
    4 . S. Vettel - Toro Rosso Ferrari STR2 - 1:21.486 (+ 0.827 ) - 67 laps
    5 . D. Coulthard - Red Bull Renault RB3 - 1:21.555 (+ 0.896 ) - 82 laps
    6 . L. Badoer - Ferrari F2007 - 1:21.741 (+ 1.082 ) - 74 laps
    7 . P. de la Rosa - McLaren Mercedes MP4-22 - 1:21.805 (+ 1.146 ) - 33 laps
    8 . N. Rosberg - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1:21.820 (+ 1.161 ) - 69 laps
    9 . S. Bourdais - Toro Rosso Ferrari STR2 - 1:21.939 (+ 1.280 ) - 84 laps
    10 . G. Paffett - McLaren Mercedes MP4-22 - 1:22.070 (+ 1.411 ) - 31 laps
    11 . N. Heidfeld - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1:22.460 (+ 1.801 ) - 53 laps
    12 . R. Kubica - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1:22.706 (+ 2.047 ) - 52 laps
    13 . K. Nakajima - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1:23.039 (+ 2.380 ) - 126 laps
    14 . J. Trulli - Toyota TF107 - 1:23.064 (+ 2.405 ) - 52 laps
    15 . C. Klien - Force India Ferrari F8-VII - 1:23.084 (+ 2.425 ) - 83 laps
    16 . J. Button - Honda RA107 - 1:23.118 (+ 2.459 ) - 96 laps
    17 . V. Liuzzi - Force India Ferrari F8-VII - 1:23.206 (+ 2.547 ) - 92 laps
    18 . M. Conway - Honda RA107 - 1:23.729 (+ 3.070 ) - 72 laps
    19 . J. Rossiter - Super Aguri Honda SA07 - 1:23.931 (+ 3.272 ) - 61 laps
    20 . R. Doornbos - Red Bull Renault RB3 - 1:24.102 (+ 3.443 ) - 61 laps.

    Kovalainen’s best lap in the modified Renault R27 featuring next year’s electronics package was six-tenths faster than Schumacher managed on Wednesday and the Finn ended the test three-tenths clear of Felipe Massa who set the second best lap today in Spain.
     
  25. yzee

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    Come on, this Massa thing has been pretty civil lately. I mean, nobody has called him waterboy since spring.
     

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