The Tesla Plaid Will Smoke Every Car Ferrari Makes for $150k

100% disagree, there is a huge difference between 4s and 2s. That'd be like saying there is no difference between 8s and 4s. And yeah, don't do that in a bad area, but in a nice open area, its perfectly safe.

 

You're right about Enzo; road cars were a means to an end. That is racing.

In terms of 0-60 in 1.8, It will be here. I've personally seen it.

Ferrari will still have lots to offer the same way even though a Toyota Camry is just as fast as some BMWs and Mercedes. Ferrari knows this, hence the shift to electric and diversification to build the brand (clothing/food)

It is as others said, speed will continue toward convergence. There always will be a faster way to get something done, even if that is fractions of a second (which on track is an eternity.)

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All of this cracks me up because the insecurity is unfounded. As a personal lover of vintage Ferrari - all these developments HELP (not hurt) our classic cars. I LOVE manuals are going away. I LOVE ICE is going away. I already have what I love in my garage; If some stranger ten years from has to pay me a fortune for your cars because they don't make them anymore - GREAT! IF my cars become anachronisms, like a steam car, GREAT. One reason I love Ferrari is the rarity.

I certainly didn't buy them to retire on.

 

Tell that to the Tifosi.

 

I agree;* FOR ME* - I don't know how many 2 seconds 0-60 runs I can tolerate consecutively. They give me a headache. However, once? No problem. I can handle that. I get it though, for some, it's not a priority. However, just because 0-60 times don't matter to you, I don't think that's the case with all people. I argue for most folks, it *DOES* matter, if for bragging rights only, and having it there to use when you see fit to blast off.

Absolutely right.

 

and i did not mention tesla.
i am aware there are others out there.

they still have not set any lap records tho, and when you are up against a brand that bases its entire image on racing around road courses, this is a salient point.

 

@paulchua
you are incorrect about Enzo himself - he was always slow to adopt new tech.
late to go to disc brakes, late to go to mid engine, late to go to aero etc etc.

but all that is irrelevant today.
ferrari road cars have long ago graduated to status symbols instead of purely performance kings.
nobody who can afford a ferrari, buys a tesla only because it is faster in a straight line.
horses for courses.
i have a hybrid and an F40 (and a few other cars), and they each have their own sweet spot.

 

There have been plenty answers. None were the ones that you wanted to hear.

 

Don't take offense to the following, not personal; I just place credibility on Pierro above others here.

"I think he would be very happy with Ferrari. He would been happy with the technological developments as well. He would have been fascinated with angle of producing hybrid or electric vehicles. He would have been the first to do it. He would have been the first to look to the future."

-Piero Ferrari

The most important thing to notice here is the video was created before all these current changes, it was made years before hybrids/electric cars were more common. So it can't be Pierro trying to justify current changes.
(start at 5:00 if you want to skip to Pierro's comments)

You guys have the chutzpah to say I should listen to you versus Enzo's own son?

Well, I've seen bolder behavior.

Just interesting to me as well, that the actual owners of Ferrari, you know - the people that build these cars?, agree with me wholeheartedly.

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with Enzo Ferrari or the owners/president of Ferrari. It's a free country.

 

And they still won't be, for the next "Badass Tesla" thread next month.

 

you did not prove my words wrong.

'late to go to disc brakes, late to go to mid engine, late to go to aero etc etc.'

go ahead tell me who was first to use those new tech items on the track or road....

the fact that he did later on, is the same as it is now - ferrari did not produce the first hybrid or ev sports car.....but it is very likely that they have and will build the most stylish ones.

 

there is a heck of a lot more to the (experience of) cars than how fast they do or don't go. Until one realizes that no matter what you own its just an appliance

 

That's the beauty of the CHOICE, choose what you like. If something is not for you, move on, if something is for you, there you go.

The whole government strangling ICE racket is unappreciated and being forced into electric appliances is not a choice many would make.

But, here we are, for now at least.

 

Im not disagreeing with anything you said. I would expect someone like Musk to think adolescent 0-60 times are 'cool'. I also think most people will think its cool, because most people are...well...adolescent

 

Most disagree with me. Ive learned over the years that I am in the minority on almost everything in life. Its weird...its like being an alien on another planet.

 

I do Paul..All the time.

 

I believe this is true. But i also believe its a small minority of Ferrari owners that do it at all. So its a percentage of a percentage.

No data to back it up. Just my experience from being around them the past 20 years. Your experience may be completely different.

 

A $30 Timex tells time as good as a $30k Rolex yet people that can afford it would rather spend the money on the Rolex. It’s not just about 0-60 times and raw acceleration. I’ve driven a Tesla and the acceleration is immense, but once you get the acceleration wow factor out of the way you start realizing that there’s no sense of occasion in driving something that sounds like a muffled vacuum cleaner that happens to go fast. The fit and finish on Tesla’s has also gotten better but it’s still **** compared to Ferrari.


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A tesla? I went for a ride in our friends Model 3 on Friday. The car drove itself for most of the ride. Amazing technology.

Absolutely make it a 200MPH car. The computer is doing the driving anyway. It drove better than most of the boobs driving around the upper midwest in their Subarus. It doesn't matter how fast the Plaid is. The handling is like a 3 series bimmer and the chassis dynamics equally uninspiring. It's perfect for the type of car driver that wants to sleep on the highway while the autopilot drives it. Any one who doesn't understand that 0-60 launches does not define a sports car experience will not understand why someone spends the big bucks to be at one with their Ferrari in the twisties. It's about the Experience.

 

Horsepower and acceleration times have been commoditized as have many other things in our everyday lives but I use the timex and Rolex example to compare the functionality, which is the same, yet a $30k time piece will always be aspirational versus a $30 time piece.

I own an F12, have an F8 and SF90 spider on the way and I can go buy a Tesla Plaid right now just like everyone else on this forum but i won’t because frankly the car just doesn’t get my pants tight. A mass produced vehicle will not be a threat to the viability of a premium brand. Will Ferrari lose some business to the cheap horsepower that will be available? Sure they will, but they’re not doomed to fail. This is all conjecture, none of us know what will happen but if you’re a fan of the Plaid and its superior acceleration just vote with your dollars and buy it.


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