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  1. 1ricardo

    1ricardo Karting

    Nov 14, 2012
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    Ricardo Baptista
    Dear Friends,

    I have this 1982 308 GTSi euro version, that is refusing to start after hot, I read a few threads and notice that the most probably problem is the Thermo Time Switch (113980) and the WUR, and the list can go on and on

    I´ll try to fix it step by step so for instance if i´ll like to start by the TTS i have a few questions

    my question are:
    - How can i test the TTS?
    - If I by passit by jumping the contacts, should the car start hot?
    - What it does?

    FYI the car has new
    -Fuel accumulator
    -Fuel PUMP
    -Fuel FILTER
    -Spark plugs
    -Cables

    thank you all

    Ricardo
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    Just unplug the cold start injector before doing the warm restart attempt (that simulates a working TTS). If it restarts well = justifies more examination of the TTS system; if still a difficult warm restart = problem is most likely not in the TTS system.
     
  3. 1ricardo

    1ricardo Karting

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    Will do!

    Thanks
     
  4. 1ricardo

    1ricardo Karting

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    Just one more thing to clear things up, the Thermo Time Switch and the Cold start injection is the same part?
    If not where is this cold start injector located?

    Thanks again

    Ricardo
     
  5. 1ricardo

    1ricardo Karting

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  7. 1ricardo

    1ricardo Karting

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    LOL, now what?!
    I took the car for a spin, worm it up, shut it down wait for a few minutes tried to restart, with NO luck.
    Any ideas where do i start to search now for a solution, since the TTS seem to works
    Thanks

    Ricardo
     
  8. tf308

    tf308 Formula 3

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    You mentioned a lot of new parts in your first post.

    I think you are having a problem with your fuel pressure. My guess is that the accumulator or one of the check valves is not holding and you are getting vapor lock. That's why your car will not start when it heats up.
     
  9. tf308

    tf308 Formula 3

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    Also...the tts is reading your engine temp. If it thinks your car is cold, it tells the cold start injector to come on.

    If it was a problem with your tts, you could simply unhook the wiring connection to the cold start injector and your car would start with no problem.

    That is why your issue is with the fuel pump check valve, accumulator, or a loose connection.
     
  10. st@ven

    st@ven F1 Rookie

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    I said it again earlier working on k-jetronic cars for more than 30 years: the most common failure for hard hot start are leaking injectors. The initial fix is really easy:

    while the car is runing firmly ( but still gently) "tick" the inh=jectors one by one. In many cases you even will notice a better idle. In adition you can use injector-cleaner as addition to your gas.

    Loss of pressure due to a bad accumulator will seldom cause this issue ( I ran k-jetronics WITHOUT them!) Loss of pressue due to leaking injectors is in many cause the real rootcause. ( and by leaking they flood the engine adding to the hard start)

    Of coarse replacing is the ultimate solution but slapping them is in many cases enough to solve the problem.
     
  11. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    You've replaced a lot of parts, but you really haven't made any measurements to determine the root cause. Two things I would do before deciding what to do next:

    1. Confirm/deny spark is occurring during the "engine cranks over OK but doesn't warm restart" events (it's probably OK, but it's really easy to rule this whole subsystem in or out), and

    2. Measure the regulated supply fuel pressure after warm engine shutoff to see if it reduces too quickly (it should stay ~3 bar for twenty minutes IIRC)-- in addition to the accumulator, A) there is a seal inside the pressure regulator section of the K-Jet fuel distributor that can cause the fuel supply pressure to (wrongly) fall to zero after warm engine shutoff if it fails, and B) you've replaced the fuel pump (which should've replaced the check valve on your model), but there are two different Bosch CIS fuel pumps -- the early stock one for your model has a non-replaceable internal check valve, and a later one that has a replaceable external check valve -- as it has been reported here before, a mechanic can wrongly replace the early type CIS fuel pump with a later type CIS fuel pump with a little plumbing change and (wrongly) leave out the check valve completely.

    Good Hunting!
     
  12. 1ricardo

    1ricardo Karting

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    OK DOK,

    Thank you all I´ll take a look at those itens, it may take time, and them I´ll let you all know the results

    Thanks

    Ricardo
     

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