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thinking about buying a track car...

Discussion in 'Challenge/GT Cars/Track' started by ross, May 11, 2009.

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  1. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/Detail.aspx?from=list&wl=1&lng=fra&id=5806776&qs=from%3dSearch%26make%3d27%26model%3d15670%26cur%3dCHF%26zipcountry%3dCH%26sort%3dprice%26total%3d91%26eftotal%3d91&page=1&row=8

    and i found this. not sure about waht the seller is saying. (you may not either since it is in german and french) but seems he is saying it started off as a challenge (ie not for road) car, and then was converted slightly to 'gt spec' (whatever that means) to be allowed on the road. i need something that can be driven to the track, and then effectively tracked. so this looks like the right type of car for my purposes. can anybody offer any comments or advice?
     
  2. speed racer

    speed racer Formula 3

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    Might want to re-post under tracking and or racing sections for more specific responses.
     
  3. pascalt

    pascalt Formula Junior

    Dec 8, 2003
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    hello a really nice car and cheap.. Don t speak German, but looks like it was a 2001 Challenge, homologated in 2002 for normal road, and transformed in GT in 2006.
    I ve already seen several Ferrari race cars from this vendor, so it should be a good one.
    Hope you will find a good model.
    Enjoy, Pascal
     
  4. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    hi pascal. altho i speak french and german, i still dont quite understand the changes and the process. what is the difference between a challenge car and a gt spec? and do you think the car is road legal? and does that last line mean that i have to pay the vat on it eventhough it has alwasy been a swiss car? (i have asked the seller these questions but still no repsonse)
     
  5. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    VAT has to be payed on the car where it'll be exported to. Lets say the VAT in Switzerland is 10% and in the UK 17.5%, you have to pay the full 17.5 in the UK. If its the same in each country i'm fairly sure that you wouldn't have to pay tax on it again (although im not 100% sure on that anymore, been a long time since i looked into importing/exporting).

    If the car has been road legal before (in europe) you can register it again by putting it through an MOT (no SVA required). The UK is the easiest to get vehicles legal for europe with their SVA (single vehicle approval), although last month they changed their rules completely so i'm not sure if its still as easy to import cars. Cars older than 10 years (by the month, so cars made before 05/1999) only require an MOT.

    The one problem with registering a car like this (Providing it hasn't been road legal before) is that to get it through the SVA it has to be completely standard (the engine, suspension etc etc), since this is a 360 Challenge it has to be challenge spec (not 360 standard). Acquiring challenge parts could be tough (since this car is (partly?) GT spec) unless the guy supplies you with the spare challenge parts.

    So quick recap, if it has been registered before you can just throw it through an MOT and be done with it.
     
  6. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    Without knowing more, and based purely on the photos, "GT-spec" is likely referring to the aero package. Front spoiler, splitter and rear wing. Common upgrade for Challenge cars when the owners wanted to get into GrandAm with them. Otherwise, the cars remained as Challange cars for the most part.

    CW
     
  7. NbyNW

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    A stock 360 Challenge looks remarkably like a 360, just with racing upgrades - roll cage, no interior, and much more... Not street legal. The owner/dealer installed GT package added the wing and front bumper/splitter. A true 360 Challenge GT has the wing, front splitter, etc and a tweaked factory engine, and from what I know they're pretty rare.
     
  8. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    This is definitely NOT a GT car.

    From the posted description, it appears to be a Challenge car that has a street title (how they got a title, I don't know) with a GT aero upgrade package.

    The Michelotto-built N-GTs numbered 15 or 16 (converted 360Cs). Factory-built cars numbered about 20-25, IIRC. Totally different s/n's on the factory-built GT cars (2xxx). Also, the Michelotto-built cars carried a Michelotto s/n (001-016) as well as the original 360C s/n.

    Whether this is a street car upgraded to appear as a 360C with a GT aero package could be debated. But, from the interior shots and the posted descriptions, my money is on a 360C with the GT aero package as opposed to a converted street car.

    CW
     
  9. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    the seller describes the car as starting out as a chllenge car in 2002. then being converted to a gt spec in 2006, and given a street legal title.
     
  10. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    Which is still confusing as all get out. How does one get a street title for a 360C, in the first place? Perhaps rules in Germany are less stringent? Regardless, it's vague, at best.

    CW
     
  11. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    seller contacted me. the car started off as a challenge, did a few races, then hit the wall. needed a new front right corner. during the rebuild decided to convert it to gt spec, but also managed to get a street title. now in switzerland this is very difficult so must mean that he has 2 sets of exhaust to meet the noise level requirement, and likely a few other concessions from regular gt. BUT it retains the goodies.

    no doubt that this car has not had an easy life, but i think it is reflected in the price.

    i need to go see the car and take it for a spin and see if it is liveable
     
  12. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    Question is, what does "gt spec" mean? Even though 360Cs look exactly like the Michelotto and factory-built cars, they are different in many ways. Primarily in the weight department, though. Not so much in the engine. While there are a lots of little differences that add up, the aero package is probably the most relevant and noticeable. There's some change to the suspension, etc, too, but I'm not sure how much of that you'd want on the street anyway.

    CW
     
  13. ross

    ross Three Time F1 World Champ
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    i am not qualified to judge whether this is truly on gt spec or not. but from the website the weight is listed as 1200 kilos which compares well with the ferrari stats, as well as the hp. and then there are pics of the front right corner suspension - which is probably to show that it was in fact repaired to gt spec.

    i really want to try it out. if it is just pure race car and loud and harsh then its just too much for me. if there are sufficient concessions to non track travel, then i will bid him a number...
     
  14. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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    By all means, do try it out. My only reservation with track cars on the street has been ride quality (streets aren't anywhere near as smooth as a track), noise (while there's nothing like a screaming race engine, it can get old sitting at red lights...even with a quieter exhuast), and operating efficiency (brakes need to be warmed up to work properly, overheating concerns, etc.).

    Looks like a fun car, and one you could take to the track with a set of slicks, too.

    CW
     
  15. scottypoz

    scottypoz Karting

    May 8, 2006
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    im going to be selling my 2000 360 challenge, ill be posting the ad this weekend after i take all the photos, etc, my car also has the gt aero package on it, great track car, love it....economy making me sell...sucks
     

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