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Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by bertspeed, Dec 21, 2012.

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  1. fastradio

    fastradio F1 Rookie
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    Minimum? That sounds more like the maximum serviceable limit. And with a .002-.003" bore variation, to install new pistons and rings isn't really money well-spent. A short engine life is virtually guaranteed.
     
  2. 335s

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    if you are in a car crash, and you have a compound fracture of the femur(you can see the thigh bone sticking through the skin in your thigh), the notion that despite knowing it probably will do no long term good, you will pour blood on an open wound in the hopeful notion that it will effect some miraculous form of long term benefit....despite knowing to the contrary beforehand...

    the notion one concludes from the bleechers here is that: this is a job-while required-can't be properly afforded financially by the owner of the car, and knowing this, he seeks assurances from others(readers and posters) that "it will all be...OK"..
    most responders seem to be offering opinions to te contrary....and....wel...it won't be in the long and probable short term...

    what you propose is NOT a "rebuild", a "Re-man", or even a "re-hash"...its just a waste of time, effort, and money...
    In this case, simply put-"the emporer isn't wearing any clothes".....
     
  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    We can make it easy. The first guys do Ferrari machine work for some of the best shops on the west coast. Wherever you live, it would be much better to send them the parts and let them do a professional job. The other shop also specializes in Ferraris, etc.

    Lesco Automotive Machine
    3000 McMillan Ave.
    San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
    (805) 596-0400
    Fax (805) 596-0205
    http://www.4-lesco.com/
    E-Mail: [email protected]
    Machine Shop, Race Engines

    S&R Exotic Motorworks
    853 State Road 101 South
    Liberty, Indiana 47353
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    Engine Rebuilding, Machine Shop
     
  4. rustybits

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    Good information Terry, but I don't think he wants to spend the money. There are some VERY respected shops in the uk that could do a superb job on that engine; Emblem, DK, Joe Macari, and many, many others.....
     
  5. bertspeed

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    It seems a number of people here have misunderstood my position and only 2dinos has managed to answer my questions,which is what I was seeking in order to make up my mind.If I go ahead with my plan and I can locate some class c pistons ,this would give a piston/cylinder clearance of 1.5 thou over spec at the most.My deglaze would only be to give suitable cross hatch,not to increase bore size.So with new bearings and cam chains the bottom half of the engine is going to be very much improved over what it was.I believe that with peak cylinder pressure of about 1200lbf/in square the newly seated rings would seal satisfactorly,and would not wear out prematurly (the original 2nd rings were virtually in spec and they ran in those bores which are now 2 to 3 thou out of spec.
     
  6. ago car nut

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    Bert,

    What you are proposing will work for you, re ringing a motor will give ok service life for the Fiat Dino you own. The book(rebuilding a small block Chevy) tells you that you will only get half engine service 50,000 miles out of the motor for just hone and fresh rings. Rebore and new oversize pistons would give you service like a new engine.




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  7. tazandjan

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    David- That book is talking about a cast iron block. The 2 liter Dinos have aluminum blocks, the 2.4 liter engines have cast iron blocks.

    Dino engines are too expensive to screw up, even if it is in a Fiat Dino.

    Eddie- Believe you are correct and he was just looking for someone to agree with him. None of the pros did.
     
  8. rosso corsa motorsport

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    you must use a torque plate if you do any work on the block, i have 29 years professional experience building dino engines, i may have a set original piston for sale, i can tell you what to do and not to do on engine.
    pm if your interestred

    peter
     
  9. Steve Magnusson

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    #34 Steve Magnusson, Dec 31, 2012
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    This may be a secondary issue for you. I've noted that they've seemed to have cleverly not included any spec in the 246 WSM for the allowable "ovalization and taper ratio" of the cylinder bore (i.e., non-cylindricity of the cylinder bore). Your new rings are probably going to be very well-made (i.e., almost perfectly cylindrical) -- if the bore is not, it would take a long, long time for the rings to seat as Tim previously suggested. Have you measured the ovalization and taper as George suggested earlier? Knowing these values might help ease your decision ;)

    Peter -- Do you have values for ovalization and/or taper specs for the cylinder bores from other Dino references, or recommended values for these items that you like to use?
     

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