Do you guys getting the excessive beeps keep your cars on tenders daily? Before I started doing that, I'd get a weird beep pattern once every five drives or so. Now, none. Steve
Always on a tender. And as you mention the beep pattern is weird sometimes. It mostly occurs in spirited driving and slowing down to a stop from gear 2 or 3.
Update on this matter. I have spent thousands of dollars into diagnosing of this issue with my Ferrari specialist and also my dealer without any luck of finding anything wrong with my F1 system. On the contrary, when the system is diagnosed the results are always above average and both the dealer and the Ferrari specialist have tested a lot of cars and have a big reference database. The beeps are incredibly annoying and I always have to explain the beeps to everyone that rides with me because they in fact sound like error beeps. The techs i´ve been seeing are more or less laughing at why I spent money on the relay at all. And I understand them. In June 2018 i was offered a free update of my ECU by Scud Ing because of these constant beeps that could not be turned off. I turned down the offer then because of the expensive shipping to Switzerland. Since then I have found a way for a cheaper shipping and today I wrote back to Scud Ing and asked if the offer is still on the table and I was just baffled by the response. They won´t acknowledge any error with the ECU and the offer for a free update is not valid anymore. The response was very rude which is weird because I always had a good dialogue before and was very positive of the company and Stef who runs it. They practically want a video of the issues to prove what i´m saying is true after all the discussion where i described the issues thoroughly. I think I will just bite the bullet and disconnect the ECU altogether. After all, relay problems are mainly affiliated with 360s and sometimes I wonder why I even bought the relay from the beginning.
Thanks for the update. I cant speak for the seller or the company representative on your matter but I've always had great support from them. As previously mentioned by most members here, if a Ferrari dealer and mechanic has confirmed that there is nothing wrong with your F1 system or your F1 system works just fine and the issue that bothers you is the beeps - the simplest fix is to just unplug the beeper module. You now have a solid state electronic relay that wont go bad and get stuck in the on position frying the F1 pump. As I mentioned I silenced my operational beeps. No more operational beeps. Similar to you I like silence. The 7 beep faults has gone away on mine completely since I had an indy shop flushed & bled and recalibrated my F1 System 7 months ago now. But it was not right away. After the fluid flush, the 7 beep faults would show up once in a while whenever I go out for a drive. Its been 2 months now with zero beep faults. Note that I drive my car pretty much every weekend or anytime its not raining as I love to drive. But just like anything in life, no two lives / no two cars are exactly alike so your experience maybe different than mine. So my take on this with your situation is like I said above, if its the beep that bothers you and you cant seem to disable the beeps - then just unplug the beeper module and leave the electronic relay in. Now you have silence and know that your F1 relay is electronic & will not get stuck in the open position frying the F1 pump which is the primary reason for this upgrade. Hope that helps. Just my 2.5 cents worth. Dan
I dont even have the screen i got mine for the solid state relay for peice of mind. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
Thanks Dan, that´s probably what i will do but it bothers me that i went for the advanced version and can´t silence it and make it to only display errors. Also i don´t really like the approach by Scud Ing in the matter by first acknowledging the issue and be willing to fix it and then rudely refuse to have anything to do with it. As i wrote in my previous post, i always had great support from them before.
I've done about 1800 miles in 4 months after installing the Scud F1 relay (advanced) in June 2018, it has worked perfectly in my F430 -09. The only operational beep I can recall is when cruising on the highway without shifting gear for a long while, then sometimes the F1 relay will go into sleep mode (shutdown) and when it wakes up (pump start request) it will sound the startup-beep.
The latest version of the advanced relay have disabled all these beeps except for error beeps. This was probably done after complaints from customers.
Like most any product, it is usually not advised to be an early adopter of new technology. Inevitably, there are issues, usually minor, sometimes major, and why it can be prudent to wait, and see. I've followed this product, as I do believe it has many advantages. But also a few annoying features, which they are addressing. Since the initial release, I see there have been a few firmware updates, and enhancements to the product. Too bad they don't offer a "trade up" program.
You are most welcome. Sorry that your last conversation with the seller was not pleasant. I dont know the full story so I cant comment on that. I do know this, we all have good days and bad days, no one is always on top of their A game every day or every time. Myself, looking back, I'm sure I could have handled many things in the past better, or may have rubbed people the wrong way, or could have chosen my use of words better. And to those people I sincerely apologize. Nobody is perfect. Dan
A bit strange that they first promise to upgrade my ECU and then turn me down and upset the situation...for 25 CHF....
That´s true, i have a business also and i know the importance of a good customer. Well there is no issue really i suppose, i´m just going to disconnect the ECU and have a solid state relay left instead. If anyone wants to excite their life with a constantly beeping Scud Ing F1 Relay ECU let me know! It´s up for grabs!
so this prevents a burt out F1 pump? is burnt F1 pump a common thing 9 (caused by a bad OEM relay) ? where is this F1 pump relay located? thanks.
It certainly can reduce the risk. You can also mitigate the risk by simply replacing the 30amp relay every major service (many Ferrari dealers and independents recommend this). Others have upgraded the relay socket, so it will accept the 50amp relay, as used in the F430 and later cars. Some F430 owners have found a 70amp relay to substitute for the 50amp relay. But these are still mechanical devices. The Scud Ing Swiss solution seems to be a more reliable solution, beeps and all.
A replacement electro-mechanical relay at every major service is more than adequate. It's an off the shelf item less than $10 and very easy to access. Any competent auto electrician can complete the base upgrade on a 360 to accept the 430 relay (bases available on aliexpress for less than $5 - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-current-relay-socket-car-relay-socket-plastic-parts-80A-relay-socket-9-5-plug-spring/32820284911.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dzwpheT). The Swiss solution while quite nice is total overkill. Speaking from 10+ years of experience in power switching electronics design.
I'm not convinced it is overkill. I have a friend that bought an F360 from new. Just months out of warranty (so just over three years old) and before his first major service, he had the relay fail and burn up the pump. Back then (2004), there were no alternatives but a factory fix, I believe the repairs came to over $7,000. I have also been told by the local dealer that since the introduction of the 50amp relay on later Ferraris, problems are extremely rare. (thus their recommendation that early cars get regular replacements) I found no records of the 50amp relay ever being replaced in my 2009 430 Scuderia, so I replaced it with the factory part last summer. It was only $20.
I have it, probably useful, >Stef is a fab engineer but can't deal with all the beeps etc, so have removed the remote unit
Great discussion. Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts. One thing I want to add - it's your car, always do whatever makes you happy. I know this - you cant put a price tag on peace of mind.
233100 Search the part number on Ebay with "relay" added. I think it was Ferrparts offering it for $20 with shipping.
I agree with you regarding the 360 but the F430 doesn’t have the same problem with sticking relays. That’s what I learned from different techs and after searching the forums for failures. However the Scud Ing relay in the advanced version also claim to monitor the F1-system and that’s a good thing if it worked without all the beeping. Stef from Scud Ing claims that all these beeps are the ECU transmitting a fault but when you go and spend several thousand of dollars to try to find an issue that’s just not there you start to doubt if the settings in the Scud Ing ECU are correct. I think not. Therefore I’m removing the ECU with a peace of mind.
I dont know why you keep beating a dead horse and I dont know how else to respectfully explain it to you. If something bothers you just take care of it and be done with it. It appears its the beeping that bothers you that's why the recommendation was to just remove the beeper unit and be done with it. But you chose to spend thousands of dollars troubleshooting your car when your car appears to be working fine. No one told you to do that. You did that on your own. The way life works if you buy something and you are not happy with it - return it immediately for a refund. If the return period is over - throw it away or sell it, restore the car back to original configuration and its done. Life goes on.
Dan, please try to maintain a good tone. Maybe this i perfectly clear to you and was from the beginning but it was not clear to me and that´s the reason i trusted Scud Ing and spent thousands of dollars to try to find an error that just was not there. I was told from Scud Ing that something was wrong with my system from the beginning of the beeping. I trusted their expertise and began by swapping parts (accumulator) and diagnosing the car for several days. One very experienced Ferrari specialist and a Ferrari dealer did not find any errors but both instead said that under their test procedure the car performed well above average. When you buy something like this you expect the company to know perfectly well what they are talking about and you expect a fully functioning product. Especially if you are not technically inclined yourself but still want the best for your car.
