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Those Who Have Financed - How Much Have You Put Down?

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  1. ghost

    ghost F1 World Champ
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    Fellas -

    Looking at possibly financing a vehicle, and was curious to know how much people typically put down. 20%? 25%? More? Does it matter vis-a-vis the rate you get?

    Just as an FYI, I would be looking at a Top Tier credit rating (or whatever the appropriate designation is).

    I had also asked on another thread if people could recommend could sources for auto loans. I understand LendingTree.com is a good aggregator. If there are others, or if there are particular banks (either North East or National), that are being aggressive on rates (with minimal complications and fine print), please let me know.

    Many thanks.
     
  2. richard_wallace

    richard_wallace Formula 3

    Feb 6, 2004
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    Ghost -

    I have bought a few outright - but most of the time It really depends on the interest rates at the time. If you can get good interest rates I would not put any down on it - put that money into working for yourself in the market / funds, investments, etc. The newer the car the better the interest rate (typically). If you are buying from a large dealer - find out what rates the companies they are using are getting.

    I typcially use one of my personal banks - I call the personal banker of each and find out who gives me the best rate - they all have some flexibility over what they advertise - depending on the amount and your bank status. (also the rates change daily).

    There are also a few tricks you can do as well - Let's say you are buying a car which you plan to keep for a long time or something that you believe you can flip and make money/investment. Ask the bank if they would do a 4, 5 or 7 year loan - typically they will talk about a 3 year with used cars. Most banks - if you are talking over 70K - 100K for a car you can play with them on a 5+ year loan. The most I have seen at a bank was a 7 year (that was for 150K car)

    So there are a lot of options - and reasons to do little down - or a lot down.

    Hope that gives you some thougths...

    Rich
     
  3. AJS328

    AJS328 F1 Veteran
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    Check out www.peoplefirst.com

    I've heard a lot of great things about them and their rates are awesome. Incidentally, I've never put anything down on a car loan but I wouldn't recommend putting a lot down because it's a depreciating item and the cash is probably much better used elsewhere.
     
  4. ghost

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    Rich and Gus -

    Many thanks for your prompt replies. As a start, I went to Lending Tree to see what I could get. Amongst the various responses that are rolling in, I got a rate from a NJ-based bank called Synergy Bank. Anybody heard of them. They are offering 4.5% money for 60 months (even though I had requested a three-year loan) - pretty aggressive rate if you ask me, even with a strong credit profile. This particular institution is a FDIC member.

    Assuming the fine print (which I haven't seen yet) works out, does it matter that my loan is from a smaller, regional bank. Or is it always better to go with the more well-known, well-recognized institutions.

    I'm a complete novice when it comes to financing, having never done it before, so an explanation on potential entry fees, early-termination fees (yes, I understand the concept of being "upside down" on a loan), and anything else to watch out for would be much appreciated.

    I'm reading up furiously on this topic, but also looking to learn from my fellow F-Chatters.

    Grazie!!
     
  5. jlm348

    jlm348 Formula 3

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    peoplefirst is now capitalone.
    By far the easiest and best loan I have ever had.
    If you are a tier 1 credit you will ahve a check for up to $75K at your house by tomorrow
     
  6. ghost

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    Thanks for the endorsement Jean-Louis - actually checking out their site now.
     
  7. atlshaver

    atlshaver Formula Junior
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    Fantastic service. They base the loan on your credit and is not vehicle dependent. I have used them twice and actually have a current loan through them on a Porsche.
     
  8. BWS550

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    IF YOU OWN YOUR OWN HOUSE OR IF YOUR PARENTS WOULD DO IT FOR YOU..

    DO WHAT I DID FOR MY FIRST FCAR

    GOT ME A HOME EQUITY LOAN...4.75% (2002)

    TOOK OUT UP TO WHATEVER YOUR CREDIT LINE IS OR CAR SELL PRICE

    INTEREST IS TAX DEDUCTABLE

    CAN PUT MORE PRINCIPLE ON THE PAYMENTS TO QUICKEN THE LOAN


    MY .02 CENTS..

    GODD LUCK BUDDY,

    BRUCE
     
  9. Muteki

    Muteki Formula Junior

    Jan 14, 2004
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    I got lucky and caught my 308 at a dealer. I traded in my Honda Prelude got $14k for it, I put $4k down and financed $10k. Only $100 a month car payment, but I paid it off in a couple months.
     
  10. yasir

    yasir Formula Junior

    Nov 5, 2003
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    Applied for $40,000 loan for 30 months for a 1991 C2 Turbo and got approved upto $60,000 at 4.50% and with direct withdrawl got it down to 4% for 36 months,all that in less then 24 hrs,Capitalone all the way baby,wink.
    Hope that helps
    Yasir
     
  11. Kds

    Kds F1 World Champ

    Most lease companies that do business in our market want 30% down on high end sports cars because there is a tendancy for the owners of these cars to....ummm.....errr.....shall we say.....impact an immovable object from time to time.

    It is somewhat common apparently and they look at it as a good way of protecting themselves in that event.
     
  12. richard_wallace

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    I think 4.5 is really good - I am working on finding a Gallardo - and a few weeks ago started preparing my banks for a quick transaction (that way they are ready when I find it) - I had ranges from 4.4 to 5.0 - So 4.5 is really good. There is absolutely no issue with going to a smaller bank - sometimes they are more aggressive due to the bigger competition. Also if you belong to a credit union - they are a great place to start as well. (CU's might have more issues on the bigger car loans due to size - but the bigger CU's usually have the best rates and terms.

    The mention of a Home Equity is a great idea (that was mentioned a few times) - not only are you looking right now at HE lines in the 3% - 4% range - but as mentioned you get to (in most cases) the interest write off.

    I know KDS mentioned that some banks will require a down payment (sometimes up to 30%) - you may run into this in certain geographies (large cities, etc.) - but if you look around - you will find lenders that will not require any down - if you want to go that route.

    Being that the banking industry is very regulated - you are pretty safe with any FDIC bank (small or large) - look at the small print - some banks are doing adjustable 5 years and stuff like that - but just stick with the standard fixed 3,4,5, or more car loan and you will be fine.
     
  13. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Whatchya buy'n?? ;)
     
  14. ghost

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    Many thanks Richard. As an FYI, 993 guy very helpfully pointed me towards CapitalOne Auto - I checked their website out, and they are offering 4.05% money, assuming a new car purchased from a dealer with a <36 month loan window. They give you the gradients for the various combinations and permutations desired, and the nice part is that you can calculate a quote without a formal tap into your personal details (with the caveat that the quote only holds assuming the deal meets the specified criteria, and the customers credit is Tier 1). This is helpful if you want to play around with various "what if" scenarios (downpayment, length of term, etc., etc.)

    CapitalOne seems like the most attractive rate out there for now. Am reading the fine print, but it seems that many have had a positive experience, which is comforting. Apparently no prepayment penalties either!

    www.capitaloneautofinance.com

    Have a few more lenders that I will be diligencing tomorrow - will let you guys know.
     
  15. richard_wallace

    richard_wallace Formula 3

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    Ok so now you are on the right track ... Give it up - what are you looking to buy there Mr. Ghost... I am assuming now that the car is new from what I am reading... :O
     
  16. ghost

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    Can't a guy keep a few secrets. :)

    Looking at a couple of things actually. It seems the deep winter has brought a lot of potential sellers out of the woodwork, as it always does. Let me (and the sellers) figure it out, and you guys will be the first to know.

    Thanks for everybodys input - it has been very helpful.
     
  17. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

    Sep 1, 2004
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    The cheapest financing rates I'm aware of are in the 3% - 4% range through the brokerage firms. You have to secure the loan with cash, stocks, bonds or other types of securities. However, for those with an investment account or a fair amount of cash, CD's or money market it's pretty easy and common to take a loan against it. (I'm not talking about margin)
     
  18. Robin

    Robin F1 Rookie

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    Ghost,

    I just went through the same thing.. I applied through Lendingtree.com and got a response from HSBC and CapitolOne (ex Peoplefirst). I went with HSBC because they gave me a fantastic rate with no catches... 100k at 4.79% for 60 months on a '99 car. With a rate like that I didn't even bother putting anything down. CapOne had a good rate as well, but they max out at $75k. With these rates I'd try to do as little down as possible and maybe even stretch the term out as long as you can. You can always pay it off early. I've seen some places offer up to 10(!) years.

    -R
     
  19. jlm348

    jlm348 Formula 3

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    Although borrowing from an equity line is great under most circomstances. If you are not planning on paying it off within a year it could be dangerous. Equity lines have gone up from 4.0% last year to over 5.25% which is still good. Remember that most equity lines are tied to the prime rate. But most equity lines have no caps and if rates go higher you can pay north of 6% or 7%. within the next two years. If you can get a fixed rate car loan for 4-5.5%. Why take the risk .I would think that that would be the best bet right now.
    I have had two loans with people first(now capital one) absolutely love them. I paid both of them off about have way through the term.
     
  20. ghost

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    I agree with you Robin. With traditional loans, you'd typical shy away from a longer-term loan even though you get lower monthly payments because you'd be locked into a higher interest component for the life of the loan. Nowadays, with many institutions offering zero pre-payment penalties, it's actually become a way to arbitrage low monthly payments with minimal downside. These days, I assume the only risk for pre-payment is to ensure that you're not "upside down" on your loan - ie, the value of the car on the books of the loan company > the market value of the car. This is primarily due to a larger component of the monthly payment going towards payment of interest in the early years.

    I've actually set up a quarterly spreadsheet that inputs historical residual values (interpolating between the known data points), and am using this to compare between the market value and the appraised value of the vehicle, to find out the point of inflection between being upside-down and right-side up.
     
  21. CTM

    CTM Karting

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    At the very least you have to give us a hint or tell us if the 355 staying or going? If it is going, then we know another F Car is in your sights. Good luck
     
  22. ghost

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    :D - Craig, you're funny.

    The 355 is staying. I love that beast, and haven't put enough miles on it to send her off yet. That doesn't mean there isn't room in the garage for two F-Car's, though. ;-)
     
  23. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Being a little bird on the net(or wire), I think I have a good idea ;)
     
  24. ghost

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    ;) - I know you know. Believe it or not, that deal fell through. But as our friends noted, if you look seriously, there are better deals out there.

    PM'ing you.
     
  25. rimoore

    rimoore Formula 3

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    As an owner of two f-cars and in the process of buying a third. Hold on to as much cash as possible. Your going to need it to keep them going down the road.

    Rick
     

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