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355 Thought experiment for obtaining Unobtanium 355.

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Which route would you take?

  1. Swap FHP, Roll Bar, & Carbon Seats into Manual F355

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  2. Swap transmissions. All manual parts into F1 car and vice versa.

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  3. Source a manual conversion kit from a wrecked car and install into F1 car.

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  1. ShineKen

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    Hypothetical. I’m genuinely curious what Fchatters think is the most ideal route.

    There are probably only 3 Ferrari F355’s in the world spec’d in manual, equipped with Fiorano Handling Pack (FHP), Carbon Seats, and Roll Bar from the factory. This car is unobtanium from a practical standpoint, but you REALLY want to put one together. Even if it’s a Frankenstein because there’s really no other way.




    You find a typical Rosso Corsa/Nero F1 355 with 25k miles spec’d with carbon seats, roll bar, and FHP from the factory. The price is $150k.

    You also find a standard manual Rosso Corsa/Nero F355. Also 25k miles. The price is $150k.

    You also find a high mileaged standard manual Rosso Corsa/Nero for $100k.

    You also find a wrecked (from the front) manual Rosso Corsa/Nero 355 for $50k.


    What route would you take to frankenstein this unobtanium spec 355?

    * The conversion must look like it came exactly from the factory … as in no expert can tell it was frankensteined together unless they checked VIN at the factory.



    1. Purchase both non-wrecked F1 and manual 355’s. Swap carbon seats, FHP, and roll bar into manual F355. Stock suspension, brakes, steering rack etc, standard seats go into the F1 car. F1 car is sold on the market as a standard F1 355 for a hefty discount. Perhaps $60-80k range.



    2. Purchase both F1 355 and high-mileage manual 355. Perform a transmission swap. Manual goes into F1 car and vice versa. Exterior badges swapped. Subframes swapped. Interior carpet swapped. Whatever it takes to remove all signs/hints the car was ever an F1 car. Sell former manual 355 (now F1 car) for $40-50k ???


    3. Purchase F1 355 and wrecked manual 355 donor. Swap all signs of manual conversion into F1 car. Transmission, badges, interior carpeting, subframe etc. quality of parts are somewhat questionable since car has been rotting in a junkyard. Bin the wrecked 355 when you’re done with it.




    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Buckets

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    None of the above.

    I would just swap this car to gated and then drive it to work.

    You could create a war chest of spare F355 parts if you need that, or pass on cheap F355's to the next generation. I'd buy like 3 GTB's for that purpose.
     
  3. ShineKen

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    “I would just swap this car to gated and then drive it to work.”


    Sounds like you are for option #3?
     
  4. Buckets

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    Oh yeah. Option 3.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    You are going to pend a lot of money on a Frankenstein project.
    Money that you can never recover.

    Either buy what you want in an original FHP, or just drive a similarly stock F355.
     
  6. Buckets

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    Yeah but you can drive it forever.
     
  7. ShineKen

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    “Money that you can never recover.”


    As long as the parts market is willing to pay for these parts, I would have to disagree with this statement. If the market isn’t willing to pay higher for a car with the parts, you simply remove the parts from the car and sell them. There’s your money recovery.
     
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  8. m.stojanovic

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    Well, if one wants to have the "unobtanium" one, "buy what you want" is not relevant (rather out of the question). So, one has to "make" one and the question, and discussion, here is what is the best way to do it.
     
  9. Skippr1999

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    I’d take the F1 car with seats, bar, and FHP. Gated is way overrated.
     
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    Ken, Skipper has spoken :)
     
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  11. ShineKen

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    I knew that was coming :).


    Weren’t you hunting for a manual Serie Fiorano at one point ;)?
     
  12. Vonbarron

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    I’m a big fan of all 3 and always on the side of doing it to do it. Money Should be the last thought, stifles creativity
     
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  13. bobzdar

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    If starting from scratch I'd just do 3. As I already have a manual GTB that is a '95 in the exact color combo and with mods I want, I'd buy an f1 and swap the parts over and replace the unobtanium stuff with used regular stuff and then sell the f1, keeping all of the original parts for my car.
     
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  14. ShineKen

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    Good point. Only thing I’d changed a lil is I’d consider keeping my stock seats if they were in very good condition.

    Original steering rack, sway bars, sway bar bushings, springs, brake pads, brake rotors, forks, and suspension ECU aren’t all that valuable used, so I’d have no qualms just swapping those into the F1 car.
     
  15. ShineKen

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    Which one is more difficult labor/technical wise?

    1. Swapping seats, roll bar, suspension, rotors/pads, suspension ecu, steering pump/racks.

    or…

    2. Transmission conversion. Changing subframe, badges, ecus, gauges etc??

    I recall someone saying “sport” mode suspension light lights up on an F1 car, but does not on a manual or something along those lines. Little differences here and there between F1 and manual I am not sure I’m fully aware of.
     
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  17. Skippr1999

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    I was,but not for $300,000.
    My goal now would be seats and FHP swapped into my nice 20k mile F1 Berlinetta. I know how nice & solid my car is and don’t want to acquire somebody else’s worn out car that has lots of needs.
     
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    Regardless of price, at one point, you felt the manual Serie Fiorano was the one to have over the F1 Serie Fiorano no?
     
  20. Skippr1999

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    Yes. For rarity and future appreciation. I don’t like convertibles much these days. Loved them when I was younger. If 300k is the price , then manual Fiorano has already made the move for my timeframe.

    Berlinetta, seats, FHP would be my dream 355 in gated or F1. my earlier point was simply that I would not diss a F1 car that had seats and FHP. I would not butcher a F1 car with seats and FHP to convert to manual.
     
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  21. bobzdar

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    Yeah - if you want all of the parts that's probably true, but honestly I'd probably still do 3 in that case and just repaint it if it wasn't the color I wanted. I have enough emotional attachment to my car that I'd never get rid of it, hence I'd swap what I wanted, keep all of the original stuff (because I'm an idiot) and then source used stuff to sell the f1. The least financially viable route, but also don't really care :). If I cared about financial viability I wouldn't have a Ferrari (or two, in my case).
     
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  22. ShineKen

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    Just to be clear. You’re ok with stripping the car, but converting the car to manual is a no-go.
     
  23. Skippr1999

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    No, what I was describing would be a factory original F1 Berlinetta with seats and FHP. If I had that car, I would not personally butcher it to add the gated box to achieve the ultimate spec. I’d be satisfied with the F1 tranny, seats, and FHP and keep it original.
     

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