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Thoughts on modern versus classic

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  1. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I've been watching and reading reviews of the latest from my favored marques. For Ferrari, there was the Purosangue and now the F80. Porsche launched the 992.2 GT3 version of the 911. As context, I'm not sufficiently privileged to buy any of these new. Not a surprise. But in learning about these cars, I don't feel like they're unattainable dream cars -- I just don't see them as being ones I would want to own. I'm sure there's a windfall to be had flipping the F80 or the latest GT3, but I would take the financial reward and buy something more soul satisfying.

    Like many of us here, I've owned a lot of cars, from a 1956 Porsche 356A Speedster to a 2022 Macan, with a Ferrari 308 QV and 328, two air-cooled 911s, Fiat X1/9, MGB, etc. The cars that I've truly bonded with have been the '87 328 and now a '93 911 (964). These were old when I bought them, and I had to spend money on both to take them from "nice" to ready for a cross-country drive. Neither is all that fast. But in both cases I can say I got to know the cars. When something goes bad, I understand it, and when I had to spend $1300 on a full set of tail light lenses for the 964, I was actually excited to see it come back to new. I had two center console gauges replaced in the 328 so the fade on the orange markings was resolved, and it was immensely satisfying. North Hollywood Speedometer refaced the oil combo gauge on the 964 instrument panel and it is a (stupid...) source of pride that I don't mention to my normal friends so they don't worry about my mental health.

    I'm no mechanic, but these adventures in ongoing preservation have brought a real affinity for these cars. A car is a car, so at some point they're all sold, but with regret. I sit in a new 911, or an 812, and they are intimidating. Too big, but mostly too complicated. They feel like something to lease until the warranty is up, but not a long term proposition. We always have a modern daily driver, for safety, comfort and (usually) dependability. But after multiple recalls on the '22 Macan for fickle air conditioning, the 964 feels like a dependable friend. When I had the 328, I toyed with "moving up" to a modern Ferrari, but decided that the complexity and expense of a 575 weren't the ticket to automotive happiness. The F1 gearbox seemed destined to eat clutches, and the usual stuff that ages poorly would tax my bank account and patience. With the F80, the exponential complexity and potential expense makes it a purely financial proposition, not something to take on a Sunday drive.

    I'm fascinated with the workings on a Daytona, E-Type or older Porsche. In my 356, I once ran out of gas, but there is a fuel reserve lever under the metal dash that provides an emergency gallon that got me to the Chevron station. In the 328, I learned to avoid 2nd gear till it was warm, and then felt like the coolest guy on the road. I've learned the joys and perils of having the engine slung out behind the rear axle.

    If someone offered a drive in an E-Type or 250 GT SWB, it would be a day to celebrate. My first drives in a 328 (Ferrari of Denver) and Porsche 356B remain unforgettable, even if I'm over 50 now so better at forgetting. I don't dislike modern cars, but there is a degree of sameness and irrelevance to them. Driving a 1962 356 was a revelation -- you have to listen to the engine and shift with proper care, but you can hear everything happening in that engine bay and feel whether everything is properly adjusted. I know the new Taycan Turbo (!) GT does 0-60 in 2 seconds or less, but there's no nuance to the car. The 812 I was in felt less like an old friend and more like an impressive engineering project, one that I could drive at 3/10ths of its potential.

    All a long way of saying that modern cars have a lot to offer in performance and of course safety, but I will always have a garage space for something classic. They're the cars that have stayed with me, and whenever I try to explain to non-enthusiasts why I'm happy with a car that's 30 years out of warranty I have a long list of experiences. A classic car reminds us why we fell in love with a marque in the first place..
     
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  2. anunakki

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    In my opinion the best of any art form tends to come before too much technology gets involved. Movies, Music, Sculpture, Painting, Novels, etc...pretty much every art form i can think of was at its best before too much technology got involved.
     
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  3. buddyg

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    I think I would fall into I like both. I had my Ferrari F8 which was modern and fast. I also had my Superformance Cobra that was old feeling and raw.

    Best of both worlds. However I’m not spending millions of dollars on a super car with a V6.
     
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  4. Jack-the-lad

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    I find modern cars….just about anything 21st century, with a few exceptions, to be soulless. And I agree with Jon that most of the performance cars are intimidating and overly complex, more competent than 99% of their owners, too loaded up with driver assists, entertainment accessories, etc. I don’t need or want any of that but I’m forced to pay for it anyway if I want a current catalog Porsche or Ferrari.

    As a result I doubt I’ll ever own another new one of either brand; nothing newer than a 997 or 550, respectively.
     
  5. LVP488

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    To me that's a strange thing that progress does not only bring improvements - typically modern cars have better performance, road holding, braking and so on, but they are also loaded with unnecessary "high tech" features that are more annoying than useful. The electrical handbrakes, or the "emergency braking help" that now spread like a plague on most cars, are particularly exasperating for me... It's a pity, because the improved performance would be completely enjoyable without these terrible additions.
     
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  6. RedNeck

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    What? Are you saying the CGI crash scenes in the new Ferrari movie weren’t believable?
     
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  7. Texas Forever

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    Bottom line is newer sport cars are too fast to drive on public roads.
     
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  8. GrigioGuy

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    Tru Dat. I was looking at the trip meter on the Cali T and discovered that I had been over 110 and never even realized it. That car was never trying hard. In the 328, it's very apparent when you're cresting 85+. The 328 is much more fun to drive on back roads, but the California T is a better automobile in every way.

    The other element is that I can repair the 328 with a normal toolbox and some time and patience. The modern Ferrari is dealership or independent only, very little chance I can repair it at home and I certainly cannot manipulate sensors and other settings/computers without specialized equipment.
     
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  9. paulchua

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    Jon, your posts are like a finely tuned engine—always delivering wisdom and insight, and this one is no different. I have a deep admiration for classic car enthusiasts; after all, why tinker with an engine that's already perfect?

    That said, I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the latest high-tech machines, I can't help but appreciate the adrenaline rush they offer, even while cherishing the timeless appeal of the classics.

    Your take on how modern cars lack the soul and raw character of, say, a Cobra is spot on. But I’ve got to admit, the gut-punching g-forces, split-personality dynamics (Jekyll/Hyde), and tech that makes everyday drivers feel like superheroes can’t be ignored. It’s a reminder that automotive evolution isn’t waiting around for nostalgia.

    There’s no universal answer to which car—or era—feeds the soul.

    I'm just lucky that I appreciate both Elvis and Bruno Mars. I love a 250 and wouldn't throw the keys back on an F80.

    The beauty is, no one's forced to choose! It's like a buffet, take as much of what you want, skip what you don't. (or a person like me that takes a little of everything.)

    I wish you endless happy miles (in whatever car)
    -Paul
     
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  10. BenB

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    There's definitely a "jump the shark" moment in a car's evolution. I'm not sure exactly when it happened with any particular make/model, but I find myself more attracted to the older cars & the experience of driving them. If I had a choice between spending a track day driving a Bugatti Veyron or a Bugatti Type 37, I'd run to the 37!

    I'm a big Porsche 356 fan also. They're essentially a souped-up Beetle, but SO much fun for some spirited driving.
     
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  11. technom3

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    There is just know honerable/reasoab6use for a modern hypercar.

    Drive it fast and it's just too fast to enjoy and you are also a wreckless danger to everyone around you due to the insane speed. You get caught getting on it... And your going to jail.

    Drive it slow and everyone thinks your a ****** showing off and what's the point? Just driving a shiny expensive thing around so everyone can see.

    Its an odd thing to exist these days.

    Maybe I'm just burnt out
     
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  12. 066/8

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    My personal opinion:

    Every car that's worth buying has already been built. Most of them decades ago.
     
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  13. GrigioGuy

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    That's what I thought until I saw the 296. But the hybrid tech / rolling computer aspect scares the hell out of me. Not just for Ferrari, but for any of the brands. Look on YouTube for Rich Rebuilds to see what happens when the manufacture of a hi-tech car goes under.
     
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  14. rmlovett1

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    I’d agree with some posts above. Good and bad about both. I personally get equal enjoyment out of both modern and vintage. Rowing through gears is fun/therapeutic for me personally , but sitting back relaxing and letting the Nannie’s do their job is relaxing as well. Both are situational. I feel fortunate to be able to enjoy both from this iconic brand!
     
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  15. anunakki

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    In the professional art community theres an ongoing joke about amatuer artists who ask us what materials we use (clay, paints, tablet, etc) as if thats the magic sauce that makes us great.

    I see the same thing with people who think they always need the latest and greatest performance vehicle. Its quite laughable when you think about it.
     
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  16. Glassman

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    Many years ago I bought a 308.............it took me about 30 days to figure out that I also needed a pre 1960 Ferrari.
     
  17. Bullfighter

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    I'm reminded of the infotainment system in the Daytona.

    It had a steering wheel, lever, and as many gauges as one could possibly fit.
     
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