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  1. bpu699

    bpu699 F1 World Champ
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    My hospital is now offering prepaid legal plans. For 30$ per month I get:

    1) Unlimited consultations in person/ or on the phone with a lawyer (tons to chose from)
    2) Unlimited legal defense in civil matters
    3) Unlimited legal assistance in family/realestate/personal matters
    4) Free wills, trusts, etc...

    Exclusions: Can't use service to sue employer :).

    Now, this sounds way too good to be true. Anyone else ever do this???? How do the lawyers make their money? According to the plans sponsor (Hyatt Legal) lawyers are paid on a reduced schedule, and hope to make money on future noncovered legal issues.

    Any lawyres on here participate in this? Sounds like a legal equivilant of an HMO/PPO.

    Any input appreciated...

    Web site is legalplans.com.
     
  2. writerguy

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    Now, this sounds way too good to be true.














    and this should be the first insight into the latest MLM scam
     
  3. Kds

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    Good things are not cheap......and cheap things are not good.

    Personally speaking, I think this can be applied to lawyers more than anything else, especially considering the weight of the issues that the service your money is buying may potentially be called upon to deal with.

    I'd pass.......unless Whart would work for that.........
     
  4. bpu699

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    If this were a direct advertisement, I would think its a hoax. But this is a hospital chain sponsored plan! Here is whats covered: By the way, Hyatt Legal is owned by MetLife. Pepsi, Ibm, etc are customers of this plan... So, whats the catch?!

    General Telephone Advice and Office Consultations
    Document Review
    Any Personal Legal Document
    Wills and Estate Planning
    Living Wills, Powers of Attorney, Trusts, Wills and Codicils
    Real Estate Matters
    Sale, Purchase or Refinancing of Home, Eviction Defense, Tenant Negotiations
    Debt Matters
    Debt Collection Defense, Personal Bankruptcy,
    Identity Theft
    Consumer Matters
    Consumer Protection, Small Claims Assistance
    Traffic Defense
    Juvenile Court Matters
    Document Preparation
    Deeds, Notes, Demand Letters
    Family Law
    Adoption, Guardianship, Prenuptial Agreements
    Defense of Civil Lawsuits
     
  5. BigAl

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    I'd imagine for day-to-day, routine legal issues its a good deal, however, if you're on trial for murder....
     
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    KDS...I would have these folks represent me in anything of significance. But, free consults, free threatening letters on demand, etc....for $360/year?!

    YOU CHOSE THE LAWYER, as they are not employees of Hyatt Legal. This sounds like a refferal plan combined with insurance....

    For $360 I can probably have my current lawyer write me 1 two page letter.... Thats about it. He figures it takes him 1 hour...
     
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  9. ferrarigtofan

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    Too many lawyers chasing too few cases. The legal field is at the saturation point. Eventually people will decide the cost and time to become an attorney is too great given the average level of compensation and enrollment will decline, until then schools will continue to produce 50,000+ new lawyers each year.

    I read somewhere, a while back, that there is an attorney for every 30 people in the US. If the % is correct, do we really require more than 3~4% of our populace to be attorneys? How many lawsuits are you involved in anyway?
     
  10. bpu699

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    Well, I plan on signing up and will see what happens - worse case, I am out $360.

    What drives me nuts about lawyers/accountants/etc is how they bill. They will charge you for EVERY LITTLE MINUTE and every phone call. They will charge you not only for their time, but then for the time their secretary "needed" to type a letter. I think its all BS, and perhaps its just been my bad luck that everyone I have used does this.

    As a Doc, there are TONS of things I don't charge for. I consider it part of the over all service, or else I can't charge for it.

    Phone calls - free.
    Refills/talking to your insurance/begging for coverage - free.
    Talking to your family about a loved one - free.
    Calling in antibiotics (ie. phone consultation) - free.
    Listening to you tell me about how your dog died - free.
    Filling out handicapped stickers - free.
    Blood pressure checks - usually free.
    My nurses time on the phone - free.
    Fax time - free.

    ETC, ETC.

    How other fields bill for all of this irritates the hell out of me. Some things should just be free, and rolled into the cost of doing business. A 2 minute phone call should not be billed in "15-30 minute increments." All right, I am done venting.

    And, anyone who thinks a lawyer will write you a letter for "$100" is deluding yourself. Last time I asked to have a letter written regarding a water drainage issue due to a neighbor, the attorney wanted a $1500 retainer. Figured it would take 3-4 hours to "review" the case, 2 hours to "write the letter" and 1 hour of his receptionists time. Or, about $1000. Guess what, I wrote my own letter. Reviewed the pertinent law (Wisconsin statute) on the net, took 3 minutes. Typed it, took 10 minutes...

    Contractors do the same thing. Electrician just gave me a quote to put in 11 circuit breakers in a building. Keep in mind these ARE EMPTY, we are just roughing in. Figured it would take him 80 HOURS, and wanted $18,000. You have to be frikken nuts. Its $1000 in material. Even if you figure 80 hours (which is astronomical) at 60$ an hour, its $5000. Where the hell does the $18,000 come from?! They already make a profit on the hourly wage, they mark up the supplies, and then what? Just add $10,000 to make it sound good?!

    Any other thoughts?
     
  11. writerguy

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    go read the threads wayno posted
     
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    Send a PM to Frank Parker. He knows a little bit about the subject, he was gracious enough to spend some time on the phone with me after I posted the thread Wayne linked to.
     
  13. ferrarigtofan

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    Supply and demand.

    I know several doctors that retired early because of insurance issues. Insurance companies have you coming and going, they determine what they will pay you for your time, and they determine what they will charge you for liability coverage. Going to medical school in the US and not becoming a cosmetic surgeon is a waste of money IMO. You dedicate 12 years of your life and you'd spend $500,000 on your education if you were starting today, for what? A $150,000/year job? We will be importing our doctors from India given the economics.
     
  14. bpu699

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    I did, not very helpful...sigh.
     
  15. Kds

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    Not to digress too much off topic here Bo....but up in the land of socialzed medicine (Kanaduh) your grocery list of doctors tasks would look like this......

    Phone calls - they don't take them
    Refills - billable office visits only
    Talking to your family about a loved one - billable office visits only
    Calling in antibiotics (ie. phone consultation) - they don't make them
    Listening to you tell me about how your dog died - billable office visit
    Filling out handicapped stickers - fee service paid by client
    Blood pressure checks - billable office visit
    Complete medical form for insurance - fee service paid by client

    Etc...etc.....sorta like lawyers......hope that keeps it on topic.

    My lawyer is actually pretty good, but we're good friends who go back about 12+ years or so and I get "a lot" of free stuff which is commonly repaid in a form of currency known as "free beer at the nudie bar" LOL !!!
     
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    Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc. is the best provider of prepaid legal services...much better than Hyatt IMHO. http://www.prepaidlegal.com/
     
  17. bpu699

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    Frank, can you explain to me how this works from the lawyers point of view? Is this seen favorably? Or do most of the guys who sign up for this have slow practices/no experience/ and will likley not be motivated to provide good service??

    Details please!
     
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    Have been involved with one for years now. It is part of our FOP Fraternal Order of Police membership. Worked great for me during my divorce---cost me $100.00 total to get divorced. That $100 was for court fees not the lawyers.... A portion of my monthly FOP dues goes toward our plan..
     
  19. kevfla

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    who actually had to use it, is that its a big waste of money!

    If part or all of the premiums you paid each month, say $25 to $30, actually went into some sort of escrow account that can be used for a future retainer fee in the event you had to engage a lawyer beyond the threatening letter stage...after a couple of years you would have $500 or more in the account to draw from, then I would really consider it to be "prepaid."

    But what I actually got was...

    The privilege to deal with ONLY their correspondent law firm for Orlando area and ONLY by letter or fax. NO phone calls, much less face-to-face meetings were allowed. It's been so long ago that I don't remember the specifics of the case but after writing one letter to the person I had the problem with, they asked for a $1000 retainer if I wanted to pursue the matter further. I do have to say that the local firm was well-known and respected.

    Given that I was a member of Pre-Paid (granted that there are probably several companies with sound-alike names offering the service...mine was the chief provider) for over 3 years, what I paid overall in premiums made for one damn expensive letter!

    It sounds good in concept but really, how many times in the past 5 years did you need to engage the services of an attorney? Me neither. You are locked into using their local partner firm and don't think you are going to be covered in the event of a more serious legal need like a divorce action or a foreclosure. You are still going to pay out of pocket so why take away your right to choose the firm?

    Another thing that struck me as kind of odd was that in the quarterly newletters, the founder of the company kept touting the company's stock. A key to the company's stock value is profitability in taking in lots of premiums and paying out as little as possible to the corresponding law firms. Didn't make me too comfortable. And no disclosure is made to the consumer how much of a commission is kicked-back to the local agent or rep that signed you up. Save your money!
    KevFla
     

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