Are there any ties between Ferrari and ferrari chat. I ask this question in the 360/430 forum becuase the Scuderia PDF spec sheet was taken down becuase Ferrari of Italy asked so. (I think that is corect) I was wondering if Ferrari looks at ferrari chat at all? Do they care what is said on this board or what goes on here? Why would ferrari chat care if the PDF of the new Scuderia is posted and Ferrari is pissed about it? Does not seem like Ferrari has any sponser ads on this site. So not sure why we would not just post the PDF back up. I know myself any many others have the file saved on there computer. It is not like we stole it from Ferrari, we just saved the file that was posted on the internet. Dont get me wrong, I have a Ferrari and love it. Dont want to piss Ferrari or anyone else off, just wondering why the board cares what ferrari thinks. I think these are good questions, but not looking to get negative post about it. I think it was pretty cool we got to see the Scuderia guide. Not sure why everthing has to be such a secret at Ferrari.
f430 scuderia and 997GT will be presented simultaneously and both pdf files/brochures were leaked simultaneously.....coincidence ? as to wha the pdf was removed....tarek can elaborate on this !
Ferrari does look at F-Chat...for many reasons. As far as the Scuderia pdf file is concerned it was an internal Ferrari confidential document, not intended for public viewing yet. They only requested if it can be removed until the catalogue was official and complete. I think out of respect to Ferrari, F-Chat had to comply to their request. Nothing wrong with that.
Of course Ferrari folks look around here all the time. THIS IS THE #1 chat site for Ferrari, by far and away getting more hits and unique visits than all the other "chat" sites. I know from personal experience that the dealers watch the FerrariAds.com. Why do they do it? I can only speculate that they're price shopping and looking for inventory. As to Ferrari NA, I'm certain those guys spend time here, every day. So, when you're thinking of posting confidential Ferrari memos, or manuals, or other copywritten material, think twice, the REAL FerrariChat Police are absolutely watching. Dave
An advise to all is that some people who read this forums can ruin your relationship with your dealer so be very careful at what you decide to type on this forums.
Ok thanks guys. Like I said just wondering. I for one dont want to do a single thing to show negative towards my dealership or ferrari. Just wondered what others thoughts were.
I was surprised when I called FNA to ask a question one time and they commented on one of my postings from here! I'm sure they like to keep tabs on what people are saying about their product and doing to the cars out in the field Ray
I'm not sure I understand. My "relationship" with my local dealer is based on the following: Availability: FNA require me to do business with my local dealer. Warranty: FNA require that I take my car to my local dealer for warranty service. Value: If they have the product I want and the price is right, I purchase it. As one can see, my "relationship" is primarily based on lack of alternatives. If we add the facts that my dealer must perform warranty service, my dealer (and it appears all NA dealers) will no longer sell @MSRP and finally, <phew & chuckle> I may purchase used Ferraris practically anywhere .... where's the special (presumed in context), relationship you speak of? And why should I worry about "ruin(ing)" it? IOW, why should I fear angering (again, presumed in context) my dealer .... what incentives do they provide me? Answer: None .... but disincentives abound. Frankly, I planned on keeping the F430 only long enough to buy a Scuderia (as we now call it). Consign the F430 to my dealer (ergo; share resale "profits" w/them) and order/buy a Scuderia at, or close to, MSRP. Now? I am seriously looking at other marques and thinking of keeping (luv it!) the F430 until the wheels fall off. <lol> I'm sure Ferrari, et al, will sell all they make .... but the question I leave you with: Shouldn't Ferrari, inclusive of my local dealer, worry about "ruining" their relationship .... *With Me*??? Peace, Richard.
Why not? How can we expect Ferrari, et al, to improve their products and services if we don't complain when justified? I think that those who kowtow to Ferrari do us *All* a disservice. Keep in mind that Ferrari sell a unique niche product whose value is based enitrely on image. It wasn't too long ago that the image floundered causing Ferrari to come close to bankruptcy. It wouldn't take much for Ferrari to come into disfavor by alienating those who can best afford their products. I think that you'd be best off offering negative (constructive of course, this is an enthusiast site <w>) input and let Ferrari worry about doing/saying anything negative about you ..... The Consumer! Final Points: 1) We, the consumers, need only food, clothing, shelter and a modicum of medical care. All else is desire. The farther from the "Four Needs" we stray, the easier it is to do w/o, or replace desires, w/other satisfying choices. One can go no farther astray from needs and desires, than the purchase of a Ferrari. 2) It's Ferrari's long row to hoe when it comes to building desire for their unneeded products. Peace, Richard.
My advise is a simple one, if you want to buy at msrp or even if you already do, then be careful of what you write on these forums. If you aren't "vip" nor care for it, then write anything you care for.
I heard that the owner of Ferrarichat is furnished the new Ferrari of his choice to drive for a year, after which he can trade it for his next choice, again, no charge. And they pay for all his tires, on and off track. Now this is just the known goodies, there are more than likely many more that we will never know of....Rob, just how good is it? And if anyone's wondering, OF COURSE I've been drinking--it's after noon isn't it?
Perhaps, but please keep in mind that we need not purchase an exotic. IOW; no one forces us to pay high prices. So long as deception, coercion and other unsavory business practices are NOT used .... viva Capitalism! Peace, Richard.
It could be good advice. In general .... it's always a good idea to be kind. But we're discussing business matters. And since buying @MSRP is no longer the case (unless dealers are actively engaged in deception) why hold one's tongue? Of course, some "VIPs" will demand MSRP and might receive same. Those same "VIPs" may say, pretty much, whatever they wish .... and do .... because w/o them Ferrarri lose millions and risk millions more in potential loses. I repeat: Aren't Ferrari, et al, the ones who should worry about alienating the Consumers? You seem to disagree. Please elaborate. I'll start by mentioning Jay Leno. I wonder how many people have heard his never ending rants against Ferrari? BTW; you didn't address the reasons why we *should* complain loud and clear (albeit in a civil manner) Since you're repeating yourself allow me to repeat: Ferrari should take great care that Consumers don't feel muzzled. For the Consumers' ire is easily aroused when they feel their freedom of speech is threatened. Anyone w/the cash is a "VIP." What's so hard to understand? Waiting lists are fine. Preferential pricing is fine. OTOH, egregious practices, e.g. bumping orders, are NOT fine. And are actionable. <hint & w> Irrelevant. Anyone who can afford to spend millions on cars on a regular basis may dictate reasonable terms (ie; msrp). As for the rest .... if status is what one seeks, I suggest hiring a publicist. Do ya more good than a Ferrari. ;-) Nope. Not "anything." The truth; expressed openly, honestly and correctly. Case in point. Ah luvs my F430F1. But it's flawed in ways that boggle one's mind! And some of those flaws are NOT generally thought of as subjective. No brainers really (ie; a decent AC system? DUH!). As long as folks spread FUD and/or tell the public... e.g, It's a Ferrari. Deal w/it or buy a *lesser* car! ...we may expect that Ferrari will have no incentive to change. Let's face the facts: Ferrari have no power to sanction anyone for expressing doubts, concerns, grievances, etc. Ferrari's only power over us lies within the Fanatical Ferrari Community which spread propaganda and take it upon themselves to attempt to silence criticism. Present company specifically excluded <g>. It's the Fanatics and those who see their Ferraris as investments (someone please tell 'em they should consult investment counselors <chuckle>) and therefore fear criticism, whom we should worry about. Ferrari simply limit production, force us to do business w/local dealers (ie; protected dealer territories limit competition) and allow dealers to operate pretty much autonomously. BTW, dealers are not in any position to silence criticism. Protected territories are easily circumvented. As for dealers offering less than exemplary service to punish "complainers" ..... Huyndai may get away w/it. Ferrari can't afford to for reasons previously stated. Reasons still awaiting rebuttal. Peace, Richard.
