Time for the FIA to make an example of Vettel?

Seb admits he simply got caught out, and that he overreacted when he intentionally bashed into Lewis during the hip-check.

 

Just like when I broke the jaw of a bully at school after he tried to bully me. The cops made me tell his mum I was sorry, but I just said what kept me out of approved school in front of the cops, afterwards I whispered in the bully's ear that it would be his legs next if he looked at me wrong. Suffice to say, his mummy took him out of school and he never came back. Seb should be a bit more careful next time, hit the wrong bump in a corner and 'accidentally' tip him into the long grass.

 

Not if he risks damaging his car, having a penalty imposed by the stewards or get a ban by the FIA.

Winning races is the goal, anything else is a distraction.

 

LOL, part of Vettel's punishment is not being allowed to do any more FIA Road Safety Campaigns. Lucky basterd!

I've done the same with a bully in school...kept bullying me until I threw him through a door. Long story short head master comes to me and when it was just us 2 he said ''If I was you I'd have done the same to the prick''

 

Is this what he thinks today or is this simply what they made him say ?

 

Kimi is a regular there. But he prefers the "Mumble" pie!

 

Yes and in the real world that is turning, not much else has changed. On to Austria....

 

I laugh at public apologies.

 

Superb and appropriate penalty

FIA decides Vettel punishment « Sniff Petrol

After a special meeting on Monday to review Sebastian Vettel’s actions during the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, the FIA has concluded that the German driver is to be punished by having to read everyone’s opinions of his punishment on the internet.

‘We have carefully studied Sebastian’s incident with Lewis Hamilton in Baku,’ explained FIA spokesperson Effy Hay-Spowkespersson. ‘And we feel the most appropriate penalty we can impose is to sit him in front of a computer and make him read the endless self-righteous pontificating of armchair blog bores.’

‘Yes, we know this is extremely severe,’ Hay-Spowkespersson continued. ‘But we hope that Sebastian will have time to reflect on his recent behaviour as he slumps in front of a laptop scrolling through an apparently infinite number of self-elected experts relentlessly wanking on about bringing the sport into disrepute.’

Sources within the Ferrari team say Vettel could appeal against the FIA’s decision to make him read an unstoppable tide of pompous opinions and may ask for a less terrible punishment such as a race ban, licence suspension or being allowed to claw his own eyes out with a fork.

 

I heard he murdered a homeless person AND a Nun

 

The first is actually funny, the second is simply dumb...Looks like blubbering of those who hoped for more to come...

 

Oh...I think they will get enough likes from the #44 fraction to make them happy so I guess that they do not need my feedback. But obviously one is not allowed to say his opinion over here without getting you comment these days including the insinuation of asked censorship

 

Finaly some good sense as prevailed..now let's get the show back on track and let's smash elton's smile...all in all, Seb was the one winning in baku.

 

According to a chap I know at Mercedes, they are ****ting themselves over Elton's 'like' over comments made on social media condemning the FIA. According to him, various there are fed up because they've lost the high ground yet again by a thoughtless comment/action by elton, opening the team up for issues. It's already news on U.K. news feeds

Hopefully the FIA will take this open disregard for their authority as seriously as they took Seb's love tap and want a hearing about yet another faux pax from Mercedes, after all, Mercedes pushed for Seb's hearing claiming he disrespected the FIA!

What a shame, why can't it just be about the racing? Damn you F1

 

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT SOME EASILY UPSET PEOPLE (OR LEWIS HAMILTON FANS AS THEY ARE SOMETIMES KNOWN), MAY WELL NOT LIKE TO READ!:


It's a bit strange how the FIA were so determined to go after Sebastian Vettel over this incident, making it seem as though they were going to make a public example of him, and then as soon as they carried out their more detailed investigation, they suddenly decided that a simple "Sorry!" from Seb was all that was required, and that no further action was required after all.

Not for the first time this week, I'm about to go a bit "Eddie Jordan" on a topic:

Could it be that, true to their word, the FIA carried out a much fuller investigation into what happened, not only with Seb driving into Hamilton's Mercedes, but also the actions of Hamilton prior to Seb running into the back of his car, and they actually unearthed evidence that Hamilton had not been as innocent as they had first announced, when it came to him "brake-testing" Seb?

Could it be that the detailed telemetry from Hamilton's car showed that he actually did suddenly lift-off just after turn 15 to "brake-test" Seb, causing him to hit the back of the Mercedes, and having already made a very public declaration that Hamilton did absolutely nothing wrong, the FIA realised that they would have to admit that they got it badly wrong, and didn't want to have to go down that route as the whole matter would then get incredibly messy, with their credibility being brought into question even more than if they simply dropped the whole thing?


"Nice idea but too far fetched"? - Hang on a minute, let's look at some of the evidence:

1) The FIA have confirmed that Hamilton did lift-off his throttle just after turn 15, but, they said, it wasn't a problem as he didn't lift-off completely, and still had a "partial throttle" applied at the time of the first impact - Now an F1 car slows down pretty rapidly when you lift-off the throttle, and even with "partial throttle" applied, Hamilton's car would have slowed by a degree that would easily catch Seb out.

2) As screen-grabs have shown in other threads on Fchat, at the time of the first collision, an official FIA graphic shown on TV indicated that just after turn 15, Hamilton was off-throttle and braked briefly - Is there suddenly a delay on the graphics shown to viewers?, because normally the graphics match what the driver and car are doing pretty much at the exact same time!

3) The telemetry from Hamilton's car at the time of the first collision has not been released by the FIA - If the telemetry clearly shows that Hamilton did nothing wrong in any way shape or form, why wouldn't the FIA want to release it immediately to support their case against Seb?

4) Both Jacques Villeneuve and Jackie Stewart have said that looking at the video footage, in their opinion, Hamilton clearly did "brake-test" Seb - Now this is not a pair of armchair-experts that we are talking about, and they're not a pair of Playstation playing wannabe drivers, they have both been there, and have raced for real, so if they have a suspicion that Seb was "brake-tested", chances are, there's an element of truth to it.

5) Considering that Seb drove into Hamilton's car twice, Toto Wolff seemed remarkably calm about it all. There was no anger, no outrage, and no demands that he should be punished. Instead, Wolff calmly stated that he wanted to have a private chat with Seb about what happened, and even said that the whole incident was great for F1 because it added a bit of spice to the season due to the niggle that now existed between the two drivers - Now that's not the reaction I would expect. Could it be that Toto knew Seb wasn't totally at fault?

There has to be some reason for the FIA deciding not to make an example of Sebastian Vettel as they initially implied they were going to, and I'm struggling to believe it was because he simply said "Sorry!"

My monies on there being more to this decision than meets the eye!

 

Great post Phil. Informative, well thought out, and a very good case......... the plot thickens

 

+1

 

I absolutely think it went down exactly as Phill laid it out.

 

absolutely!

+1 Phil!

 

Re the first supposition, and 1) The stewards did investigate the telemetry from the second safety car incident immediately during the race, before announcing that Hamilton did nothing wrong. In their announcement, they also stated that Hamilton's driving was not materially different for any of the three safety car restarts that he lead. Stewards: Hamilton drove 'correctly' at restart - GPUpdate.net

Re 3) Your theory really falls apart, because the telemetry from all three safety car restart laps was released, and was posted here in this thread as a graph with the traces from Hamilton's and Vettel's cars all overlaid. Hamilton's speed/distance traces are very similar for all three restarts, and Vettel's are not far off either, just that the distance closed up on the second restart. There was no excessive deceleration exiting T15 on the second restart, it is very clear on the graph.

Here's a Youtube vid showing the telemetry first from the second SC restart, then showing all three overlaid: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw23umegK3w[/ame]

And here's a jpg of that data; first graph just on the 2nd restart, second graph showing those as well as HAM and VET for safety car 1 restart, and HAM for safety car 3 restart. Here's a direct link to a larger, easier to read version: http://www.zupimages.net/up/17/26/1han.jpg
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Phill, how dare you talk sense in this thread!!

 

Wait!!! You told us all the time that Lewis does all the restart the same way because this is how it is done...but the graph of restart 3 looks completely different as he is just rolling through turn 15 instead of braking....how is that possible?
Restart 2 is the only one he lifts the brake at the apex just to brake again after...which led to the "crash"....I do not see how they look "very similar"!

PS: Hamilton said "
“So I kept a consistent pace, a consistent deceleration down to the apex and just didn't speed up. I did that the first time and did that the second time. It was just the second time I got a nudge.”
Read more at http://www.crash.net/f1/news/263851/1/hamilton-explains-safety-car-restart-shuffle-that-sparked-baku-clash.html
What was it Lewis? A consistent pace or a consistent deceleration? It obviously can´t be both