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Timing belt broke....depressed

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  1. redrocks

    redrocks Rookie

    Mar 2, 2004
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    Last week 1 mile from my home while turning at an intersection that horrible noise and all the red lights came on, the worst...I stripped some teeth off the timing belt for the front bank of cylinders.
    My mechanic after pulling off the valve cover confirmed that I had some bent valves.
    What am I to expect in damage and cost?
    He said it's about 70 hrs of work plus parts and he can't tell what else could be damaged.
    I love my red QV coupe, it's a euro version with 32K miles, I've owned it for 14 years, but am afraid I will not be able to afford the cost to fix now. Two weeks before I just bought Modena wheels and tires to put on the car !!
    Is there possible damage that might make the engine usless?
    Is there a market for the car, excellent condition, in this shape if all else fails?
    Wayne
     
  2. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    Red, sorry to hear that. See if you can get a list of whats gone bad. You prob can buy a top end from a ferrari 'salvage yard' and save ur self a bit of $ and labor amoung other things. Good Luck.
     
  3. Thatsmytoy

    Thatsmytoy Karting

    Nov 5, 2003
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    Curious...when did u last replace the belt????
     
  4. Tomf-1

    Tomf-1 F1 Rookie

    Jan 17, 2004
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    I am sorry to hear that.....That's one of those stories we hear about but wish it never happens to you.....Best of luck to you.

    If you have it serviced recently, perhaps there is a chance for recourse..? In any case, I am certain it will all work out in the end.
     
  5. ILuv4Res

    ILuv4Res F1 Veteran
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    Aug 8, 2002
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    red, I am truely horrified and sorry to hear your belt broke. That must have been the worst noise to EVER hear. I hope your car gets back on the road quickly and less painful to your wallet than expected.

    There has been so much discussion here regarding belt changes, please post the details.....ie: how long ago was your last belt change, anything that was done or not done in that area??? Any info is appreciated.
     
  6. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

    Sep 28, 2002
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    Try to keep your spirits up - not all is lost.

    The biggest part of the repairs will be the time involved to fix everything. The parts themselves might not cost so much if you can look around aggresively (don't let your service guy sell yuo new parts @ full price).

    You need to sit down and rationally sort it out. See if you can get an initial (there are some things they can't find until the block is apart) word on how much damage has been done.

    I know how painful the process can be. Lots of cash and a long time w/o your car - it's not fun at all.

    --Dan
     
  7. chaa

    chaa F1 Veteran

    Mar 21, 2003
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    Sorry to hear that. Its our biggest fear. How many miles did you do on the belt.This could be the first in a long time, i think we all want to know.
     
  8. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Sep 18, 2002
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    Sorry to hear about your troubles.

    First thing I would do as others have suggested..get surfing the net for prices. Go to http://www.SIvalves.com they have the valves, guides and seals needed for you car. Excellent prices aswell. All stainless steal etc. Call GT carparts or T Rutlands for other components aswell. If you are able..why not pull the enigne yourself,and then send it to a machine/engine building shop to do a tear down for you and tell you what you will need. Price everything yourself,and then investigate other avenues like used parts etc.
     
  9. wax

    wax Five Time F1 World Champ
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    redrocks - sorry to see this.

    Note tkabowsky is a Consultant.

    Reason being - he knows what he's talking about. Heed his advice.
     
  10. jcl

    jcl Rookie

    Jan 20, 2004
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    In the current FORZA, I saw remanufactured 308 longblocks for $7500 + shipping. I saw it this past week, so if it is not Forza, look around. Might be an option depending on repair costs.

    Good lucj,

    Joe Ramirez
     
  11. Doug.

    Doug. F1 Rookie
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    Apr 16, 2004
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    i am extremely sorry to hear that news. although i am not an owner, i hear that the timing belt is the most expensive part to have fixed/replaced. i'll pray for you, man.
     
  12. patpong

    patpong Formula 3

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    I have tears coming out of my eyes just hearing it.....no but we all wish you well. best of luck...
     
  13. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Not true. The damage caused by not replacing the timing belt as intended by Ferrari is the most expensive part to have fixed ... ie NEW engine.

    RedRocks, I am extremely sorry to here this news. If one good thing that can come from this is preventing others from jumping on the timing belts last forever bandwagon lie, that fools love to spread. Thus please tell us how many miles and years it was since your belt was replaced.

    Also take heart your engine will be fixable, it will just take time and costs money. Maybe you could do one cylinder head at a time ... over a couple of years you will be back in Ferrari action. I know Porsche owner that has rebuilt their engine (after a major blow up on a track) over many years and the car is now being thrashed happily again ;)

    Pete
    ps: I've had a timing belt jump (due to a fan belt pulley failing at 9000 rpm) on a 4 cylinder race motor (on a dyno ... so brand new!) and all we stuffed was the cam followers/buckets and the valves. Infact we did not even shut the engine down straight away until we noticed the fan belt flapping around! Oops!!!!

    Thus on a road Ferrari engine all you probably have down is bent quite a few valves and possibly damaged the cam followers ... hopefully not the cams. The pistons probably have valve marks on them, but if not too bad probably can be reused after crack testing ...
     
  14. Robertb

    Robertb Formula 3

    Nov 19, 2003
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    So sorry to read this- my worst nightmare- I too wonder if I could afford to fix the car if something major like that happened.

    Could you do the work yourself? Would save $$$$ labour.

    Robert.
     
  15. drsrock

    drsrock Karting

    Nov 20, 2003
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    Sorry to hear,
    I'm also interested to know when did you last change belts?
     

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