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Timing Chain Tensioners

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  1. sranderson

    sranderson Formula Junior

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    My engine is about 300 miles fresh. I was out this week and developed a nasty rattle. It came about instantaneously, not gradually. I was not forcing the engine.

    The culprit was the rear or RH (towards the tail light) timing chain. I re-tightened the chains as outlined in the service manual , which helped a minimal amount, so I removed the cam cover.

    If I exert a minimal amount of force between the cams I can pull a lot of slack out of the chains, almost equivalent to 1 link. Apparently the tensioner is not working. During the rebuild, chains and tensioner springs were replaced. I suppose the next step is to remove what can be removed from the top (ie spring, collet etc)? Is it possible to break a spring?

    The engine has not jumped time, so I havent done any damage.

    Anyone have and thoughts?

    I have an “L” which has the earlier engine, so I don’t have the lock nuts on the top of my tensioners.

    Thanks,

    Steve
     
  2. racerboy9

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    I would drill and tap the timing chain tensioner caps and use the bolt (grade 8) and lock nut as the later caps do. That modification was made to prevent what you are experiencing with your timing chain going slack.
     
  3. sranderson

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    #3 sranderson, Oct 17, 2008
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    Exactly what do I do? A picture would be most helpful. What gets me is that the caps were tight when I first examined them.

    Thanks,

    Steve
     
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  5. sranderson

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    #5 sranderson, Oct 18, 2008
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    Thanks for the photo!

    With the collet nut loosened, I gently tapped the housing. The spring released properly, the chain tension is firm. I’ll install the stop bolt & nuts this weekend. I think I dodged a bullet this time.

    It was also noted that this might solve some of the popping I've been experiencing.

    Thanks for the help.

    Steve
     
  6. John Corbani

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    #6 John Corbani, Oct 18, 2008
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    Steve,
    Be real careful to tighten the collet nut whenever you handle the tensioners. The spring is powerful enough to shoot the spring follower across the room and through a 1/4" plate glass window. Tighten collet, remove assembly from engine, place in a big vise that can hold assembly endwise, loosen and let things come apart slowly as you unwind vise handle. Add the 6mm locking screws and nuts. The lock screws and their nuts should be full out when setting tension. Lock the collet when chain is good. Run screws in to lock adjustment. Put red silicone or mild loctite on screw at tensioner body. Run locknuts down screws and tighten. Sealant will prevent oil leaks around locking screws. Sounds like you dodged the bullet. Good luck.
    John
     
  7. jselevan

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    Copper washer is better than silicone sealant. I once tried silicone only to have it leak. Then used soft copper washers to seal the 8 mm threads with the lock nut. Worked perfect.

    When tightening the newly added locking screw, you need only tighten the screw finger tight (plus a tiny bit more) before locking it with the lock nut. Do not try to tighten the new screw any tighter.

    Order of assembly is important.

    First reinstall the chain-tensioning mechanism with the screw completely out, or unscrewed so that it is almost out. Make sure the collet nut is LOOSE. Turn the engine to move the chain and cams. Then turn the engine in the reverse direction for a few degrees. Have someone do this (down at the crank) while you observe the cams/chain. You will notice that when turning in the opposite direction the chain will push the tensioner gear plunger all the way into the collet. This is a good thing. Then when you turn the engine again in the proper direction the plunger will snap out and take up all of the slack in the chain. This is the proper adjustment. Do not try to force the plunger/gear assembly out any farther (as with a long screw driver).

    Now tighen the collet.

    Place copper washer and locking nut on new backing/locking screw.

    Now screw in the new backing/locking screw finger tight. Add, perhaps, a minimal additional torque with your 10mm spanner. Just a little to preload it against the plunger. All it has to do is act as a stop for the plunger to prevent it from slipping in the collet and loosening the chain. If you try to tighten it more than finger tight (+ a smidgen) you are likely to strip the threads on the collet cap. You will be turning a screw against a fixed plunger end, and there are only a few threads in the collet cap.

    Tighten the locking nut on your 8 mm screw...not too tight.

    Viola! Your are ready to rock and roll.

    Jim S.
     
  8. nerodino

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    Gents, I noticed that the rear chain on my car was noisy and i was suffering an annoying oil leak which i couldnt trace. It now transpires that the 6mm bolt and locking nut has fallen out of the tensioner for the chain on No's 4,5 and 6 cylinders! I can get a new bolt in (with some difficulty) but have i caused any damage and what would be the best way to get the chain back to the correct tension from this juncture?
    Thanks,GP
     
  9. mikeyr

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    if you have not jumped timing, you have not done any damage.

    Putting in a new bolt should cause the tensioner to take effect again and just tension as per the book. Loosen the bolt, tension the chain and manually turn the motor over at least one full turn, the manual part is important, I got lazy once and used the starter and jumped a link on the timing, no damage done but lesson learned.

    Mike
     
  10. jselevan

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    Graham,

    Loosen the collet, turn the engine by hand (socket) a few degrees in each direction until you hear the plunger snap back against the chain. This is the proper tension. Now tighten the collet. Now introduce the new 6mm bolt, copper washer, and lock nut. DO NOT TRY TO TIGHTEN THE 6 mm TOO TIGHT. Hand tight against the plunger is fine. Perhaps 1/16th of a turn just to snug it against the plunger. Otherwise you will surely strip the threads cut in the center of the collet nut. This 6 mm is trying to move against the stationary plunger. All the 6 mm does is act as a stop against which the plunger cannot slide out.

    Jim S.
     

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