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  1. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Brian- You mentioned in the 575 SA thread that an SD2 was required after new sensors were installed. What does the SD2 do to the TPMS ECU and sensors?

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  2. 360Grigiotitanio

    360Grigiotitanio Formula Junior

    May 17, 2004
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    Taz,

    Did you get these orange ones installed and did they work fine? I need to replace my sensors.

    Thanks!
     
  3. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    #53 Paul_308, May 29, 2009
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    We-us&them&you&I- can together work on a desirable electronics package for our electronically deprived cars
    Parts are all out there at reasonable prices. Display Heads aren't yet integrated but getting close
    some centering around rear view mirrors. Many are wireless which is always a giant plus.

    $1k buys a lot of electronics now days, but deciding the right equipment can be a timeconsuming.

    *****************
    OK, if anyone is already working a mini-project integrating several pieces, shout now re your status and thoughts.
    *****************

    My ideal starter package would contain:
    1) Car Bluetooth for cell w/voice transmit command & steering wheel switch.
    2) Car Bluetooth for gps w/voice navigation request & steering wheel switch.
    3) Ear Bluetooth integrating with others.
    4) Forward camera with 1 hour memory stick display in RearViewMirror
    5) 2 Rear camera angled for side lane activity. display in RearViewMirror
    6) Spead readout 2 .8"high led digits - unsure where
    7) 2way radio - ham or GFRS - w/Bluetooth integration
    *******
    Cameras and Gps are already mature products, the ideal display would take research for size and mountability
    I could live without #4 but find Fuel display of miles remaining or mpg would be interesting and not require much.

    So, let's take this thread anywhere positive...recommendations, suggestions.
    Brainstorming rules apply=absolutely no negative or disparaging remarks. Post pictures of products you like.
    If you don't know how to do that...ask & learn.

    We can come up with the 'FChat Future is Now' package. Maybe we could even
    setup a conference meeting but Tech Toys fits but we'll snag more contributors
    right in FChat Tech-not model specific. I'm excited with the possibilities.
    If we standardized on primary design it makes any troubleshooting a group function,
    hence much easier activity than everyone fighting their own tech battles.
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  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Since someone else reopened this thread, I will tell you what I have learned about early Ferrari TPMS systems for 575M and early f430 cars. First, US/Canadian TPMS sensors are 315 Mhz to avoid interfering with the 433 Mhz alarm remotes on US/Canadian cars. I made the $400 mistake of ordering orange 433 Mhz RDE 001 sensors, which are for European cars. You actually need RDE 004 sensors, which are dark gray or dark brown and 315 Mhz.

    Summary:

    315 Mhz (Euro), Gen 1 RDE 001 Light Gray, Gen 1.5 RDE 001 Orange
    433 Mhz (US/Cdn), Gen 1 RDE 004 Dark Gray, Gen 1.5 RDE 004 Dark Brown

    Ferraris use 43 mm valve stems, the same size as most Mercedes cars.

    TPMS sensors can be set up one of two ways, 1) a technician can set them up using an SD-2/3, which does not require the car to be driven or 2) the tire pressure calibration button (or similar name) can be depressed in the "on" ignition position for five seconds before starting and the system will calibrate itself after a 20 minute or so drive. You will see a CAL or similar indication after depressing the button for five seconds.

    If you are receiving a TPMS warning light and want to see if it is just TPMS sensors, try adding an additional 5 psi of tire pressure and do a calibration and see if the lights go out. If they do, all you need is TPMS sensors. If they do not, drive the car for 10-20 minutes to warm the tires and raise tire pressures further, stop and turn off the ignition and use your calibration switch one more time and see if the system will calibrate. If the lights go out with the higher tire pressures from heating, all you need are new TPMS sensors. You will lose this calibration once the car cools down, of course. The higher tire pressures make it easier for the TPMS sensors to read and transmit a pressure. If neither attempt results in a calibration, see your technician for further analysis.

    If you have a European 575M or early 430 and want to pick up a really low price set of RDE 001 Gen 1.5 orange sensors, PM me. Maybe I can turn a $400 mistake into a $200 mistake and you will have a set of sensors with at least 8 years left on them.

    These sensors are expensive from Ferrari, but less from vendors like DubZDirect, who advertise on E-Bay.

    Taz
    Terry phillips
     
  5. Paul_308

    Paul_308 Formula 3

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    Me bad. I thought I was opening a new thread, not hijacking an old one. Will repost.
     
  6. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    Just read the whole thread on this, and must admit in rather a lot of dis-believe.

    What an utter mess.

    In order to have a system to inform you about your tyre pressures, the latter being maybe the most single important thing for your safety (together with brakes), the mutations in systems, and differences between euro- and US spec cars are just beyond words.
    This is again a prime example on how to add some weight and 200 metres of wiring loom to a car, and by the looks of it certainly not enhancing its' functionality.

    What good is a system if you can't depend on it, and have to replace batteries (at considerable cost) every so-many years? Just buy a decent gauge and be done with it.
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    +1 -- a classic example of "green" that just isn't (because the complexity and costs far, far outweigh the best possible minor benefit of maybe not reducing your mpg by a few % if you drive with a slightly under-inflated tire -- if it all works perfectly -- and it doesn't!).
     
  8. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
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  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Steve, Jack- The big deal on cars with the early TPMS systems is most do not have a spare tire or run-flat tires, like my 575M. The only run-flats for which no performance penalty would be incurred are the new Michelin PS 2 Zero Pressures fitted to the Corvette ZR1. Unfortunately, no suitable sizes are available for most Ferraris, naturally. The PS 2 ZPs are now being produced in sizes for most C5 and C6 Corvettes (of which thousands were built), but that does most of us no good.

    So if you go on a long trip with your no-spare late Ferrari, your only current option if you have a flat is to plug in the tire-fixer and sealer cannister, which also trashes the TPMS sensor on that particular wheel. After that, you have to purchase a new cannister for three hundred or so dollars.

    I want my TPMS system to work so I have the option of hooking up a 12 volt compressor and filling the tire, perhaps multiple times, so I can limp somewhere they can fix the tire.

    This thread is just an attempt to let folks know how to keep the TPMS system operational without wasting money like I did. Seems like most things I try end up costing me $500 to find out what does not work. Hopefully, nobody else will have to pump out that $500 for nothing.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  10. babyjesus

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    #60 babyjesus, Nov 28, 2009
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    I originally posted a new TPMS thread a few months ago in the 360/430 forum, but figured it was better to continue in this thread as it's more complete--

    Backstory:

    I bought a 05 F430 a few months ago in LA, and drove it back home to nor cal the same day. About 10 minutes after leaving the dealer, then TPMS Service light illuminated on the dash (pre-inspection done at Orange County Ferrari... lol?). After checking in the manual, and checking the tire pressures the old fashioned way (a few times on the way home), I decided to just drive it home and have a local dealer look at it. Before bringing it to the dealer, I was cycling through the pressure readouts and it turned out the fronts (IIRC) were being read, and the rears were showing up as -.-.

    I brought it into the dealer expecting them to tell me to install new sensors. However, they told me they couldn't get the 'old' TPMS sensors any more, and that they needed to install the 'new' TPMS ECU and sensors in the car (I think it was around $3500-4k). Needless to say, I told them ,|,,. I'm not sure what exactly they did, but after I got the car back it didn't register any pressures for the front or rear of the car. All I got was the TPMS {Service} light on the dash when I drove the car.


    Fast forward to this week:

    I bought a set of brand new Challenge wheels from a forum vendor, a set of RE050A tires from Tirerack (they were listed as OEM, along with the Mich's and Pirelli's), and a set of 315Mhz RDE-004 Beru sensors (dark brown) from Dubzdirect. I brought the stuff to a tire shop near my office and had them mounted up. The other night I got around to swapping the wheels around. This morning I finally had time to mess with the car and try to calibrate the TPMS.

    I turned on the ignition, after the Check OK light illuminated, I held down the calibration button until the {CAL} light illuminated, then I started the car and drove around. The display went back to the clock (not TPMS Service light that I'm used to). After about 15 minutes, the TPMS Service light came back on. I pulled off the road, turned off the car, then went through the calibration init process again. This time, the {Cal} light was immediately replaced by a TPMS Service light once the car started up.

    Is it possible the dealer did something to disable the TPMS when they had it? (would i still get a TPMS Service light?) Or is it possible I didn't order the rite sensors? As long as the tire pressures are over 25psi, wouldn't they still register and be visible through the menu if the ECU was able to read the sensors?

    I'm so fed up with this system. For such an awesome car, it's a complete POS.

    I really don't like the service department at my local dealer, otherwise I'd just go drop it off and tell them to Make It Work. I don't even want to schedule a time for them to connect their SD2 and tell me what they see. The next closest dealer is SF Ferrari (heard good things) but it's a real PITA for me to get there from Woodside.

    -mike
     
  11. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    In my opinion TPMS creates more problems than it solves.

    Take the TPMS system on my 4Runner. The tires will last some 80K miles, the battery in the TPMS last about 15 months. So, there will be 10-14 years (based on current vehicle useage) when the system is telling me something is amiss, while the pressures are just fine.

    I just hope the dash light burns out.....
     
  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    BJ- If they had turned the system off using an SD2/3, the TPMS light only comes on at start, and then goes off completely. You got the correct sensors, RDE-004s, and that should have fixed your problem.

    Your dealer can do an SD2/3 analysis and tell you what is wrong. Hopefully it is not the ECU, which is a bit expensive.

    http://www.ricambiamerica.com/product_info.php?products_id=261941

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  13. tifosi_

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    #63 tifosi_, May 26, 2014
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    I am getting this warning light on my 575 that stays on which as you can see from the attached photo shows a tire pressure warning light for the left rear, but at the same time it shows that the pressure is normal at 35 PSI (after driving), which is not low. So why would this warming light come on and stay on if there is no problem with the tire pressure? Is it possibly also checking the brake pads to see if they are worn past a certain limit or something?

    Clyde
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  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Cluyde- Need new RDE004 TPMS sensors.
     
  15. tifosi_

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    Thanks Terry,
    Clyde
     

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