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Tire PSI Sensors

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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Do they have to be replaced after a while? The ones on P 4/5 are funky.
     
  2. Diablo

    Diablo Formula Junior

    #2 Diablo, Apr 19, 2009
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    Jim, charge them up to 60psi for an hour. Then bring them back down to the correct PSI and drive for 20 minutes after hitting the TPMS button.

    The reason is because the batteries charge on centrifugal force. I assume it was not moved in a while.
     
  3. alberto

    alberto Formula 3

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    Batteries die on these things. I did not know that they "recharge", but even if they do, the batteries would not last for ever. Might be time for new batteries. Don't know about Enzo's, but many of these are simply replaced, as you cannot change the battery (great designed obsolesence).
     
  4. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    When you say charge them to 60 psi. you mean fill the tires to 60 psi for an hour, drop to normal psi, hit TPMS button and then drive for 20 minutes?

    Thanks.
     
  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jim- There is a different part number for your tire pressure sensors than for my 575M, but I believe they are the same 433 Mhz, Beru RDE 001 sensors. The older Generation 1 sensors last about 5 years or so on Ferraris before the batteries give up the ghost. I have heard nothing about them recharging and am in the process of replacing mine right now. There are new Generation 1.5 sensors (orange vs the gray of the earlier ones) with longer life batteries. Ricambi has the original sensors for your car for about $235. The newer ones are actually cheaper if they work on your wheels. Best idea is probably to give Daniel a call at Ricambi and just change all four sensors. No shelf life issues because they do not activate until they see 25 psi.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225126&highlight=TPMS+sensors

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229079&highlight=tpms



    Taz
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  6. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks. Mine are from 2003 so they could be going.

    Best
     
  7. Diablo

    Diablo Formula Junior

    Jim, that is correct.

    If these are your tires currently on the car(that were the spare set) The monitors were changed recently.
    The spares came with the 315hZ, which were changed to the 433.So those are new.

    Charge them up to 60 psi for an hour. Don't worry they wont pop. Then lower to correct psi and then drive for 20 minutes before it rains today.
     
  8. Napolis

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    Thanks. Spoke to Kevin. Sal will bring her by soon and you guys will get her going. She really runs great and I love driving her.

    These are the original ones from 2003 so they may have issues.
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Diablo- Do you have some tech data for what you are recommending? Tire pressures have nothing to do with centrifugal force or rotational force. Higher tire pressures will allow you to get the system to calibrate by lying to the sensor about tire pressure. If tire pressure should be 32 psi, set 35 psi and perform a calibration. The TPMS sensor will sometimes operate at the higher pressure, but all tire pressures will be three psi lower than the actual pressure once calibrated. This is a good way to check if your sensors are going and you do not have another problem and just need to change the sensors.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips
     
  10. Diablo

    Diablo Formula Junior

    I don't know where the technical chart is.You could probably google it.
    Just know I was told to charge to 60 psi. Some how this jumpstarts the batteries. The pressure difference is then converted and a signal can then be read.
    If you use a TPMS reader like one from Tirerack you are told you can read the TPMS monitors when you relieve pressure.
     
  11. Motob

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    Inflating the tires to 60PSI is not going to have any effect on the battery life of the sensors. The sensors do not have rechargeable batteries in them. They have a fixed life span, and start going bad once they are put into use. Look at the parameters page of the TPMS system on the SD2, it will show how much battery life is left in each of the sensors in months.

    The latest version sensors from Ferrari/Beru showed a life span of 98 months on the last set that I replaced.
     
  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Brian- You are right. As I said earlier, raising the pressure will make the sensor work, but not at normal operating tire pressure. Once the pressure is lowered, battery life is unaffected and the sensor is again inoperative. The Gen 1 sensors had a life of 5-7 years and supposedly the Gen 1.5 7-10 years. Your 98 months is in the Gen 1.5 range, and about what I would have expected. Ferraris seem to be on the low end of battery longevity for TPMS sensors.

    Taz
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  13. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    All is good. We replaced the sensors and the control unit which has been upgraded by Ferrari and seems to work better.

    We put her on the computer and everything is great.

    Big Thanks to Wide World of Cars for helping Sal out.

    One thing we're thinking is that this car really sucks down battery when it sits. We'll probably mount one of our Super High CCA race batteries at some point.
     
  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jim- Glad to hear it worked. Ferrari went to a Generation 2 system during the 2007 model year and that one seems to be more reliable and the sensors last longer.

    Taz
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  15. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks for advice!
     
  16. Diablo

    Diablo Formula Junior

    Also now you should be able to put the spare set on and not have to set the monitors up again.
     

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