Tires for 430 and CS?

I have PZERO CORSA SYSTEMS which come standard on Scuds. They are also made in standard 430 size up front 225mm. I love them.

 

Try searching a little bit more...

If you are looking for great tires on a reasonable budget, Hankook V12 Ventus are great.

 

I'm on the same boat; just paid for the '06 430 spider (hope to get it home in 2 weeks; it's 3K miles away), and the tires are almost toast. It has 19s with CCBs. Are the stock sizes 225/35/19 and 285/35/19???

By the way, I'm never going to track the car, and want the tires to last longer than 8K miles, so would like to hear choices in other than the 'max summer' category. Either 'high-performance all-season' or 'ultra-high-performance all-season' would be perfect for the rare canyon road around here, and also be good in the cold in winter. Thanks.

 

The tire sizes are correct. I can't help you with the all season tire selection.

 

Thanks man; will start researching tires. And remember not all all-seasons are created equal. Most Porsches (and other high-performance cars) come standard with ultra-high-performance all-season tires, with summer tires as a no-cost option. Most owners would benefit from those, especially those not tracking their cars. Much rather drive my car in the mild winters here than having soft tires I'll ever use to their potential, while having to replace them every 10K miles; it's ridiculous IMO. Take care.

 

I have P Zero Corsa's on my CS and they are brilliant!

If you want the car to stick in the corners on the road and track, this is your tire.

 

If you want a good tire which last longer, I would recommend Michelin Pilot Sport 2 - K1 (Specific tire for F430). I switched from Pirelli P-Zero Rosso to Michelin PS2 and I'm very happy about the result. Now I can drive my car in the winter (dry roads tough) while with the Pirelli's, this was very risky as these tires are getting so hard with low temps. The Michelin PS2 have an excellent grip even when I push the car very hard on mountain roads with lots of sharp turns. Haven't track the car since but I do agree that the Corsa's are excellent but will wear very very fast. A friend of mine tried the Pirelli Trofeos on his GT3 and after 2 times on track and 3.000km in total, his tires were good to be changed!

 

Doesn't the CS have only one dedicated tire

 

+1. I have them on my 575 and they are the quietest and smoothest tire I have had on any GT car. Price was excellent and mileage should be above average. Car and Driver gave extremely high ratings along with other reviews I read. Supposedly excellent in wet weather. Sidewalls are supposed to be a little soft so I added a couple extra pounds of nitrogen in each tire. Given the sidewall softness, however, they may not be a good choice for the type of cars you want them for unless it was for simple everyday driving.

 

I had the Corsa System that came in the Scuderia, I did not like them, low grip in dry conditions, barely fine in the rain.

I'm using Bridgestone RE-11 245/35 and 285/35 x 19, I'm using the same tires in my Cayman in 235/265x19 sizes. They have more dry grip than the OEM Corsa System, they are affordable, and they last longer, obviously more grip than the Michelin PS2 that I have used previously in my GT3.

I lapped Sebring on RE-11 a few weeks ago, and despite being on my first day there, the difference between the RE-11 and a set of much wider Hoosier A6 with lighter/wider wheels was 3 secs per lap. Part of the 3 secs lap time difference was due to better driving (knowing the track better). On the same day I drove the RE-11 and A6, the difference in lap time was just 1 second, Sebring is a long racetrack.

I have compared the R888 and the RE-11 with telemetry on a small racetrack in Riverside, CA and the RE-11 are as fast as the R888 with 14 heat cycles. R888 are race tires, Corsa system are a race compound, RE-11 are full street tires.

If you're planning to exceed speeds of 170mph (actual speed, not the speedo inaccurate reading), don't use the RE-11.

 

I am surprised on your opinion of the Corsa. I have the exact opposite opinion. I spend a fair amount of time at the track and I think they are brilliant. I have also bee caught in the rain and I was pleasantly surprised.

I didn't expect them to be as good as they are As for longevity, it is what it is. I like to drive and corner fast, so it's the cost of doing business.

I'll have to give those Bridgestones a go. They sound good.

 

After extensive searches I came to the conclusion that the most recommended tires on here are the PS2's. I just had them fitted on my 430 last week and am so far happy with them, but haven't taken them to the limits yet.

I do occasionally track my car, but it is primarily a street car and my daily driver. I had the Bridgestones on it, and once warmed up they seemed OK, but I was never really impressed. I had P-Zero Rosso's on my 360, of which I had high regards, not the best treadlife, but good traction and predictable, but they aren't an option on the 430.

I am curious to find out what the break-away will be like with these PS2's when they reach their limit. (maybe tomorrow)

 

I have those tires on my M3 V8, and you don't want to be caught in any kind of winter conditions with those; believe me . Unfortunately, there's nothing else other than 'max summer' tires available in stock 19" sizes for that car; hope the Ferrari sizes are more popular.

By the way, the PS2 is a 'max summer' tire (not intended for winter at all), and if you use it as such, it's probably the best tire you can buy. I don't need all that grip, hence my preference for something a bit less radical that last longer, is quieter, and won't ruin my car if caught in a storm while on a trip. And yes, even here in hot TX we can get a surprise winter storm every now and then.

 

But the PS2 is surprisely good on dry winter roads even at temperatures around 0°C (Freezing point). I wasn't expecting this but I've tested them out already several times this winter on our Swiss mountain roads. They keep an excellent grip dispite the low temperatures. But on wet winter roads or even snow/ice, it's no way for sure

 

Agreed. But I don't go on winter trips anymore unless doppler radar shows no clouds 500 miles around .

 

In the Scuderia I have used Hoosier 235/295, 235/315, 265/325, 295/295, 295/315, 295/345, 315/345. I have also used the Pirelli Corsa System 235/285 (stock tires), Toyo R888 235/295, RE-11 245/285, all of these in 19".

In the GT3 and GT3 RS I have used Hoosier, Kumho V710, PS2, RA1, R888, MPSC, and full slicks from Michelin, Pirelli, Yokohama, Good Year and Dunlop

The Corsa were 6.5 secs slower than the Hoosier on a 60 secs course (high speed autocross course at El Toro Airfield). At another event they were 5 secs slower than Hoosier, but the course was under 60 secs/lap.

I used the Toyo R888 for street use, but they don't last more than 2,000 miles, I had 3 sets of these. These ones are consistently 3.5 secs average (3 to 4 secs) slower than the Hoosiers (wider Hoosiers I'm using these days) every 60 secs, but a lot faster than the Corsa System, I did a 1:48.8 lap at California Speedway on these R888 and the Scuderia.

The Michelin PS2 is an obsolete tire, yes it is better than the RE-050 or the Pirelli Rosso that came with the F430, but it is slower than the Pirelli Corsa System and Michelin Pilot Sport Cups.

Michelin has a new generation of faster tires than the PS2, they are the PS2 K1 (used in the 458 Italia), the PS3 and the PSS (used in the 599 GTO). The PSS is supposed to match the performance of the MPSC with better wet grip, based on the opinion of the Michelin representatives during a test day in the Middle East.

I jumped to the RE-11 after many SCCA drivers running in the street tire classes posted their feedback on them. The Bridgestone RE-11, Dunlop Z1 StarSpec, Toyo R1R and the recent Hankook R-S3 have been dominating the SCCA street tire classes.

TireRack.com has a comparison of 9 tires not including the latest best street tires released within the last year, and the Michelin PS2 were slow, they have a fair wet grip, but if wet grip is your priority, there are better wet grip tires than the PS2.

I took the RE-11 and the R888 to a small racetrack in Riverside, CA with my traqmate. This is a 40 secs lap racetrack with elevation changes, chicanes, fast and slow turns used for GoKart races. My average lap times with R888 and RE-11 were the same, and the Hoosier dropped 2 secs over the R888/RE-11. I ran the RE-11 at Homestead with the Cayman at a NASA event, and I was 3 secs behind the regional class record for my class on my first day there. They perform well on the streets, track and autoX, the PS2 has better wet grip than the RE-11, but these RE-11 last a lot longer than PS2 and they are more fun, they are not noisy like the R888.

For the Scuderia, 16M, F430 and CS I would use the same tires, as all these cars have similar weight distribution and suspension design. I chose the 245/285 combo to reduce understeer which is the biggest suspension problem with all the 360/430.

 

Thanks for mentioning F430GT,you're very right, I forgot to say that my Michelin PS2 tires are K1 which is specifically made for Ferrari including the F430 and F458. If someone want to go for PS2 tires, make sure you get the K1. In Europe, there is no price difference.

Michelin Pilot SPORT PS2 285/35 ZR19 99Y, BSW, K1
Michelin Pilot SPORT PS2 225/35 ZR19 88Y XL, BSW, K1

 

Which Hoosiers are you using that are 6.5 seconds quicker/lap than a P Zero Corsa?

I used Hoosiers on my 348 Challenge car, but they were a DOT tire that for all intents and purposes were slicks. They were worthless on the street, but brilliant for their intended purpose.

Maybe my CS' set up is just right for me, but I don't find much understeer at all. Your assessment is interesting.

 

Check out Continental Extreme DW (summer). TireRack tested them against PS2s and Goodyear Asyms. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=140

I have the Contis on one of my DDs and they are very good. The don't come in sizes for my 360 but do for F430s.

 

A6, good for 2 laps then they overheat and fall below the grip level of the R6. Perfect tire for autocross and Time Attacks (Time Trials). At their peak performance (110-140 degrees F) they match most full race slicks in medium compound.

On my Cayman S, the same Hoosiers are just 1 to 2 secs faster than the RE-11 (on 60 secs lap time). I ran the Cayman S at Homestead on both RE11 and A6, a few weeks ago, 1:41.2 on A6 (old A6) 1:43.6 on RE-11.

On the Scuderia the gap between RE11 and A6 is a lot bigger, given the power difference, the Scuderia puts almost twice the power to the ground than my Cayman S.

The SCCA Club Racers have been switching from R6 to A6 compound in the last 2 years, the A6 gives them an extra edge on the first 2 laps, enough to jump ahead of the field, and when the tires overheat, they are still fast, not as fast as the R6, but if they protect the line, they have good chances of staying ahead.

 

im soo tossed up between the rosso and the michelin p2 ???? I need tires mine are original 2006 !!