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  1. Terrence

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    Hi

    Anyone have experiences with OEM or aftermarket ones? Any high quality aftermarket ones worth mentioning? Or just go with OEM?

    Thanks.

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  3. Rexcat458

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    Hello,

    I have the Ferrari Titanium wheel bolts on my 2015 458 Italia. They were on the car with a set of Ferrari Collection rims when I bought it a few months ago. The salesman said the Ferrari Titanium bolts cost about $1,800.00 for a complete set.

    I have no information on aftermarket ones, but I have heard they are available. I’m glad they are on there and I really like the head design as well. Cheers!

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  4. Dicecal

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    I bought the factory Ferrari 2 piece bolts, a little pricey but I liked them the best. Eurospares seems to have the best pricing.
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  5. Terrence

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    Curious if anyone has the aftermarket ones and see if any of them are good.
     
  6. mrchaztsai

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    I have a set of Novitec extended titanium studs coming in, will take photos and report back once they're on
     
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  8. Terrence

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    I went on Eurospare and had a hard time finding the section that would advertise them. I went on "Wheels" and saw bolts but it didn't specify anything that I understood.
     
  9. Dicecal

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    Part number for 2 piece Ti bolts:
    • 70004715
     
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    I used exotic car gear and really liked them. Price look and finish were excellent
     
  11. RayJohns

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    I've run them on all my cars. Really like the look and quality. Stick with the Ferrari ones (even though Ferrari doesn't make them as I recall), would be my advice. The newer ones (from Ferrari) have a captive washer that is much nicer than a lot of the older style (which do not include that). The after market ones are probably okay also, although I personally stick with the stuff that Ferrari provides.

    Make sure you verify that the length is correct also, as I seem to recall there is some variation sometimes (usually only a couple mm, but it's always a good idea to double check that the threads are going in far enough, but not too far when mounting the wheels).

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  13. docf

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    What is your reasoning for using Titanium bolts? 30-40 % (if pure) wt reduction over standard, Strength( The are less strong) than stock. Not being critical .
     
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  14. Dicecal

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    Personally I really don’t care for the standard chrome wheel bolts, only chrome on the car and looks out of place.

    Ti bolts look good, lighter and stronger.
     
  15. RayJohns

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    A better question is why is Ferrari still using ugly chrome bolts from the 1980's - on $300,000 cars?

    Ray
     
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  16. mdrums

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    I do not like the looks of the chrome 22mm socket head chrome bolts on my 488GTB. I would much prefer the 17mm Allen Socket 2pc titanium bolts.

    Something like these...https://www.exoticcargear.com/product/ferrari-2-piece-titanium-wheel-bolts-finish/
    wonder how they are compared to the stock Pista Ferrari OEM bolts?
     
  17. milanojess

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    Had them on my 430 along challenge style wheels. They are very light for sure.


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  18. docf

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    Thanks. No doubt they look nicer. Other than just replacing standard bolts do the wheels need to be re-balanced?.
     
  19. RayJohns

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    No.

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  20. RayJohns

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    They look half way decent; but the question you really should be asking here is what is the country of origin. My guess would be china.

    I've called Exotic Car Gear in the past and wasn't all that impressed with their staff, nor their level of technical knowledge regarding the products they offer. Maybe I just ended up on the phone with an idiot but I was less than impressed. As I remember, their Titanium lug bolts are made in China, but you can double check that.

    Also, keep in mind that not all bolts are created equal. I buy a lot if stainless and titanium hardware and there can be a lot of variation in tolerances. A lot of the titanium hardware from Asia will have grossly under spec major thread diameters (rolled or not) and this can result in loose / sloppy engagement. Call Exotic Car Gear and ask them either what class the M14 threads are and/or ask them to provide the major & minor thread diameters. Even just throwing a mic on a couple of bolts - and seeing what the major diameter is - would tell you a lot.

    Case and point: I just had a batch of M10 Titanium exhaust studs custom made for me in the UK. Even going with a very high quality producer, I still ran across a couple of studs which had to be rejected due to under specification major diameter threads. With regard to hardware from China, etc. I'd say that 30 to 50% of the stuff is so bad that it immediately just goes right into the trash. With the hardware I sell here and there on ebay, I mic every individual bolt before I ship it and I write the readings on the wrapper for each titanium stud or bolt I sell.

    I think a lot of places can get away with selling junk these days because a lot of people just don't know any better. Machining isn't taught in schools any more and machinists are starting to be a dying bread. So most people bolt things up without really checking to make sure that it's actually manufactured correctly. But any engineer or machinists worth their salt checks things like thread specifications and tolerances and figment, etc. In those cases, when you do, it often becomes painfully apparent how poorly made a lot of this hardware from china really is. Just last year, I had a batch if 12 stainless bolts show up from china and only 3 were correctly made. That meant 9 out of 12 had to be thrown away. That's ridiculous.

    If Exotic Car Gear is merely importing stuff from Asia and then turning around and selling it out the door as fast as they can, then you really need to be on your toes with some of this stuff - such as the lug bolts holding the wheels onto your Ferrari.

    As the old saying goes, "usually you get what you pay for"

    Ray
     
  21. mdrums

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    Well put Ray!
     
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  22. J A

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    Does anyone know the weight of a 70004715 bolt I want to know if mine are genuine ferrari and this may be the best way to find out
    Thanks
     
  23. racerdj

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    I paid $1800 for Ferrari bolts as I felt that buying $12k Pista Rims for the incoming F-8 was not a place to cut corners.
     
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  24. GT2goneF

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    I don't understand the persistent weight questions about the lug bolts, other than perhaps general knowledge. However the real reason would be if there's a purpose of racing and the entire car is made to meet the weight/power ratio criteria.

    The weight and impact difference of the Titanium and regular bolts is negligible and insensible, as they are located close to the center of the wheel (circle), which is best described my centripetal force. Do they have an effect? Yes. Will you feel it in driving? No. Are the lug bolts better? (presuming they are what they say they are). Yes, and they look much nicer.

    Heck, you can have them made from Adamantium and you would still not notice the difference. You would get to brag that they are made from Wolverine skeleton, but that would be about it.
     
  25. john Owen

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    The weight saving is obviously insignificant but there are other benefits. They look a whole lot better than the fugly shiny chrome ones. They also don't loosen during hard track use like the standard ones can be prone to.
     
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  26. Il Co-Pilota

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  27. MalibuGuy

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    For much greater weight savings, buy a Braille Lithium ION battery. Same price and save 30 pounds.

    I doubt you will feel any significant performance improvement with the Ti lugs.
    They do look cool.

    Dream big and do both!
     
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