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To Repair Or Not To Repair, That Is The Question

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  1. Onslow

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    Sep 18, 2007
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    Hello Fellow Ferraristas!

    I have a question for your consideration and wise counsel...

    I inherited and own an '84 308 GTS QV, Euro model. This is my first Ferrari.
    I intend to sell the car and move up to a later model Ferrari.

    I have just completed major service ++ on the car. The engine, electricals,
    and clutch are now excellent pieces of work. And, the car has only 17,000 actual miles.

    However, the car has some cosmetic issues: The interior needs new leather; the hood
    has a crease caused by an idiot who did not depress the strut release button; and the
    body has minor dings, 3 keyed scratches, and some rust bubbles along the door bottoms.
    If I were to remedy any of this, I would do the interior, paint the key marks, and repair
    the hood, blending paint into the fenders.

    My Question: Should I do some repairs and try to price the car for top of market, or just
    try to sell the car with its cosmetic deficiencies and price it accordingly?

    Thanks for your comments!

    Steve
    Cooking in the Palm Springs area.
     
  2. dsd

    dsd F1 Rookie
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    Don't repair those things. Price it properly as a driver and it will move quickly.

    -fdf
     
  3. The Red Baron

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    It all depends on how much you need to spend. Minor repairs can sometimes be done at a fairly reasonable price. However look at the market trend for a 308GTS, and see if it is worthwhile doing so. Most people, (repeat most), will look at the outside of the car and make there decision. Although they open the hood etc etc there mind is already made up. Fixing the rust would be a major. Take off a bit of paint to see how far it goes and before to long you will have the car stripped and be stuck with a big bill.
    Good Luck.
     
  4. Jackmb1

    Jackmb1 F1 Rookie

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    I agree to find out how much it cost to do the repair. It might pay off.
     
  5. PeterS

    PeterS Five Time F1 World Champ
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    +1 Items that need attention allow you to point all of them out and become the 'Super Honest' seller. It also gives the buyer a chance to make the color chages, etc. to their liking. You may go with red seats and the buyer wants black! You can chase good money after bad with these cars, so price it right and wash your hands of it..
     
  6. hardtop

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    The first question that comes to my mind is why a 17K car needs new leather and has rust? It should be pristine original.

    Dave
     
  7. Darolls

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    +1!
     
  8. Mrpbody44

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    I would drive the car for a while and fix the bugs that come up. You may find that you realy like the car and want to keep it long term. If you are then going to keep it long term fix it up all the way. What are you looking to replace it with?
     
  9. Onslow

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    #9 Onslow, Jun 26, 2008
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2008
    Thanks for all your responses. I kinda had the idea that if I didn't create more curb appeal, someone might think I cut corners even though I have all the receipts for the mechanical repairs. The seats, console, door panels, and paint detailing will cost me about $2,400.00 out of pocket. The hood repair is being paid for by a County whose employee damaged the car.

    Basically, the car was neglected mechanically and cosmetically. It was ridden hard and put away wet. It lived most of its life in northern California and was not protected from the rain or elements. It was treated as a possession and with no respect.

    I decided that I had to, at least, make the mechanicals right. Considering it has an impact engine, doing the mechanical and electrical work was the best thing I could have done. But it was one of those projects that went on for three months because one thing after another cropped up...I am sure you guys know how it goes when previous owners don't care.

    Also, I am amazed at how bad some Ferrari mechanics can be. One example was that a feeler gauge was cut and formed into a circular steel sleeve to reduce the inner diameter of the steel insert inside the AC pulley. Not only that, but the AC pulley bolt was handmade! and about as straight as a bent finger. Then there were the overtight valves, the untensioned cam belts, the leaking cam seals, corroded electricals, and the chewed out oil drain bolt (done at a Speedy Lube-I have the sticker), etc., etc., etc.

    What would I like to get next? I would like to check out the new Scuderia and the new California. Either one will require that I put in a lot of overtime. I really like the 308, but I am 6'2" and the car is just not that comfortable for me with the hatch on. However, I must say that I have NEVER been in any car, including Loti, that can corner as flat as this with absolutely no lean, no drama, no instability...Holy Smoke! It is rock steady and purely goes where I point it...this car is unreal.

    Steve
     
  10. M.James

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    #10 M.James, Jun 26, 2008
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    On other threads, you'll note that your chances of 'checking out' any of the new Ferrari models will be limited to seeing them from behind a Velvet Rope, not your garage....but I digress. I think an honest buyer who is being realistic regarding the purchase of a 24-year-old 308 can expect a few cosmetic blemishes. But Rust is bad - its a cancer on the car, and I would move to have it cut out immediately. If the area is confined to the door skins, this is not an expensive undertaking at all, and you can then legitimately advertise the car as being 'rust-free', which is a selling-point on these machines. Good coachwork and strong, well-serviced mechanicals are what knowledgable buyers are looking for, so you should have no trouble moving the car at a fair price.

    Then again, you may find that what you have in your hands today is an iconic, classic sports car that is actually increasing in value and street appeal - the better you 'make' it, the more likely you'll want to keep it and enjoy it. And that would truly be money well-spent.
     
  11. jjmcd

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    #11 jjmcd, Jun 26, 2008
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    Step one should be to bring the car to one of those paintless dent removal places and see what they can do with the hood and door dings. You would be amazed at the results they can achieve, it's much cheaper than using a body shop ($100-200 per dent), it's quick (usually same day service) and, most importantly, you keep your original paint. I brought my 911 to a PDR place that is used by all of the local car dealerships to fix a golf ball size dent in the hood caused by something falling on it in the garage - it came back looking like new. [no affiliation with any PDR place]

    I agree with the others re: cleaning up the cosmetics being worth the investment. These cars aren't rare and really ratty ones aren't going to sell quickly when your sales base is people looking for an entry-level "dream car".

    On the sizing question - you can have the seat brackets cut down to drop the seat a bit to give you some more head room. You can also have some of the padding taken out of the bottom seat cushion for the same purpose. A smaller diameter aftermarket steering wheel can give your knees some more room. I'm not sure whether the pedal box is adjustable on 308s but you may want to look into it.
     
  12. BT

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    I would spend the $2400 and price the car as a good condition driver. If nobody buys it you can get some good enjoyment out of it since it would be a fun, good looking car for the weekends.
    BT
     
  13. Onslow

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    Thanks for continuing comments.

    This is similar to those house-selling shows on HGTV, where the real estate agents recommend spiffing the house up to get a better selling price.

    But, when it comes to the Ferrari, I also understand the logic of letting a new owner have the car repaired and painted to suit his taste and under conditions where he knows how the work is being done.

    Going to a paintless dent removal shop is interesting. However, the car has only a few dents but more chips, scratches, and a creased hood that requires some pretty good expertise to repair the aluminum and the strut bracing.

    Steve
     
  14. jjmcd

    jjmcd Formula Junior

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    I think the "paint to suit" argument works more for older Ferraris that are farther up the food chain - 250, 330, BBi, etc. A 308 is an entry-level Ferrari - most buyers will want to buy it as a weekend toy that they can use right away, not buy themselves a restoration project. The people that will buy a restoration project will pay significantly less. Good luck!
     
  15. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    #15 BigTex, Jun 26, 2008
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    308 A/C clutch is a Ferrari only part and quite expensive...

    Price repair door skins from someplace like Algar, repair the hood properly and drive it awhile...

    It does sound like you have come a long way so far and enjoy using the car, I'd drive it to get my investent to date back in enjoyment......

    Proper repairs to aging 308s are really to preserve your investment, they do not increase the value of the inquity......that's all in the pony emblem on the trunk...:)

    Have them do a good job on the hood, replacement bracing should blend in and be unnoticable....I labeled my hood with a GIANT "DANGER! Press this button to close".....LOL!
     
  16. ferrari sulla pellicola

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    sell it like it is!!from what you mentioned its just minor stuff...the fact the mechanicals are done is the key...there are many out there ready to buy your car ME included....ill pm u with an email address to send pics!!
     
  17. Onslow

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    Thanks to all of you who took the time to respond.

    I am going to deliberate some more on my choices.

    I will let you know what I did and how much I got
    for the car.

    Steve
     
  18. bjzorn944

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    I would love to have a 308 as a restoration project(but for me thats the fun of owning old European cars)But I currently don't have a garage and my apt complex will probably get upset if I brought a third car home with me
     
  19. WJHMH

    WJHMH Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Can you please post some photos if your acquisition?
     
  20. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    post some pics and / or an ad for your car here on Ferrari ads. I am waiting for the sale of my Lotus to be complete ( this week) and i will have cash in hand for a GT4 or a QV. ( my 5th Ferrari )

    some of us like the driver grade cars, and just want to drive them.

    welcome to F Chat by the way.
     

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