Todt happy with the current state of F1

If you remember, there was a time when, apart from Ferrari, all the cars on the grid were Ford-powered. Enzo Ferrari used to call them "the garagists", because they didn't build engines, and could buy most of the stuff (wheels, transmission, etc..) over the counter.
At that time, the oil company, and later the tobacco companies used to pay the bills.
This is gone, for ever ...

The FIA has tried instead to attract manufacturers with various fortune: BMW, Toyota, Mercedes, Renault, Peugeot, Honda, Jaguar, etc.. Those that stayed on have been able to impose their views.

 

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Johansson urges F1 to move away from “engineering porn”

Johansson urges F1 to move away from ?engineering porn?


I liked this:

“Johansson believes the root of the problem is that F1 cars have become so complex that the drivers can’t possibly hope to manage all the systems without considerable help from the pit-wall.”

 

Indycar has its own problems no question. How big those are depends on who you talk to unfortunately, so it's hard to get a clear picture.

All I know is that the racing on street and road courses is unbelievable. The motors don't sound terrible either....pretty decent. Nothing great though either. Cars are not very attractive to me with all the aero bits and pods. Solid field of drivers and very difficult to drive the car and win. They need to tweak the pit rules under yellow though because you end up with goofy situations where people lose races based on chance.

Toronto at 3PM ET today ; )

 

This is it right here.

Mercedes dictated what they needed to be involved in F1. Then they got it, then they crushed the engineering, and here we are...farty engines.

This year has definitely been better than last year though in terms of overall racing - to me. Ferrari has **** the bed though so that makes it more difficult to be excited about.

 

Ha! Great term.

I totally agree. Although not just the communication issue; the fact that many fans just aren't that interested in the current PU's.

 

Exactly........ Sold out for manufacturers who would drop f1 in a heartbeat without hesitation if they wanted to

 

Exactly !! Manufacturers come and go. None of them is in F1 for the long haul.

It would be far better to have 12 independent teams, some even buying customers chassis, than to have 5 manufacturers teams with unlimited resources, and the rest struggling independents.

The FIA surrendered too much power to the manufacturers.

 

With all the high tech elitism and extravagance displayed, the caveman inside still says, "Noise matters!"

I still go to the races but I agree the sound quality (in Australia) was very disappointing...and that was an improvement over the previous year. It's embarrassing when compared to the early 2000's V-10 whine. I use to imitate that sound to my kids while watching the races on TV. They had a laugh. Now I just fart. No one watches with me anymore. ;-)

 

Lots of opportunities to fix it:
1- bring back refueling - safety...yeah, instead does it and no one is getting hurt...need refueling to run flat out the entire race
2- bring back unlimited engine and gearbox use, or at least one per weekend- don't care about the money, they're spending it on other stuff anyway
3- noise, do something about it. It's pathetic.my 360 with a Capristo sounds more like an F1 car than an F1 car does
4- make the cars more physically demanding to drive. It should take maximum effort and drivers should fall out of their cars at the end of the race

F1 can get away with some lackluster performance like current because despite all of the crap, I'm still tuning in. I suspect that's the overall truth for most viewers, but to remain the pinnacle you need to be in demand not just another also ran like indycar...

 

Except they don't have the same or quicker one lap pace. We can go through race by race if you want. Everyone had a hard on over the cars being slightly faster than the V10s in qualifying at a couple tracks this year but they seem to forget that the V10 cars qualified on race fuel loads. Even so, they are still faster than the '16 cars at the majority of tracks in qualifying.

Wrong again! You're on a hot streak. Late race tire changes happen all the time when the cars are light, yet they aren't even close to V10 times. Face it, these ares are not even CLOSE to as fast as the V10 cars. Quit trying to act like they are. The proof is in the pudding, the numbers are there, not matter what mental gymnastics you attempt to use to explain otherwise.

Really? Verstappen came in and he's as fast or faster than Ricciardo. Stoffel Vandoorne stepped in for a race and scored points and outqualified Button. It actually happens all the time. Wrong again. Magnusson and others have stated how driving a modern F1 car isn't a big leap from GP2.

Wrong again, there are V10s in the Lambo Huracan and Audi R8. There are also loads of V8s in production cars and trucks.

See, this is some strange thing that has come about in the last 5-6 years. F1 was never about "real-world" applications for technology. Were 1400 HP qualifying engines real-world applicable? Screaming V12s/V10s? No, it was about excitement and putting on a show for the fans. F1 isn't a technology exercise, it's entertainment.

 

Fernando Alonso 'not at all happy' with current Formula 1 - F1 - Autosport

Cant say I disagree with him. A lot is riding on the rule changes.