Tools/books .

when someone is trying to negotiate the price of the car, these things have value, if the buyer doesn't care for them, but wants a better price, is it wrong of the seller to seperate them? i don't think it anyone's place to tell him what he can and can't sell to get a deal done.

 

I agree. It is the irreversable things that hurt the cars!

 

having spent a good amount of time tracking junk like this down, i wish it would stay with the cars, but it doesn't and it is what it is.

 

The dealer nose the prices are high on these and if the buyer doesn't say a thing then he gets the extra money when selling on eBAY.

 

Agree.

Books and tools, especially on vintage cars, belong with the car.

There isn't a knowledgeable buyer out there that doesn't want a complete car, or as complete as possible. To separate the car from the books and tools is criminal. I just sold my Dino, the price included books and tools, and a large quantity of spare but original (replaced by newer) parts. How else would you sell the car?

To argue that it helps reduce the buying price is, I think, all smoke and mirrors. I've seen cars without them going for exactly the same price as cars with them.

I've seen cars sell without them, and seen the dealer selling the books and tools within weeks or months on ebay, or on their websites.

Educated buyers will ask, and then negotiate price accordingly if these items are missing, but buyers don't always, I'm sure. When I bought my Dino, it had complete tools, but no books or pouch. At the time they could be had for probably a couple grand complete, now books are a $7K item, and certainly something I'd have tried to negotiate out of the sale price.

I think the real question here is, "If you had a car for sale, and owned it with books and tools, would you automatically include them in the sale price, or wait for the prospective buyer to ask about them."

DM

 

I still have the K2 skis that came with a VW Jetta an old girl friend had in the 90's, did I distroy the resale value of that classic by keeping the factory accessories that came with the car?

 

I don't think you hurt her resale value any. The car on the other hand....

 

People are slick.

I bought a MV Agusta a few years back, came with only one key. I'm sure the PO kept the other as a souvenir.

It was a pain because the blanks were really to come by.

 

So are you saying I didn't send enough keys?

I do have one more set....


DM

 

So were you that MV @hole in Atlanta????

 

Interesting post. I recently acquired a 330 GTC sans tools and am currently in the process of trying to put together a proper toolkit.
It's not an insignificant amount of work just getting up to speed on what the proper tools and pouch(es) are for a specific model, and how they can vary across early and late in production and from what is diagramed in the owners manual. Once one gets up to speed on this, it's then a lot of effort just sourcing the right stuff. And of course last but not least, it's also not an insignificant amount of money one needs to part with to put the right kit in your car once you have done all your homework and legwork.

There obviously are currently not enough tools and kits in relation to cars, yet each car originally came with a toolkit. This begs the question, what became of the missing tool kits? Did people just throw them away in the '60's? Are there actually malicious Ferrari tool stealing elves? Are thousands of proper pliers just languishing anonymously in the bottom of peoples tool boxes? Or does Tom Shaugnnessy have them all?

 

BINGO! :0

 

Hey Shaughnessy is doing MY 330GTC toolkit ....

Edit: I mean, "Mr." Shaughnessy. Sorry. I need parts for my other cars, too!

 

Are you talking about the Hula Doll on the dash...?

 

LOLOLOL!

Well, they may END UP at Tom S.'s house, but they were very popular with longshoreman at the time of import.

I'll say that since the warranty Book has the VIN, I feel anyone that knowingly witholds the tools /books is NOT a Ferrari enthusiast as they mean too much to the history of the vehicla once a 'certain age" is reached..

I get key blanks for $4, no big deal there...but when the last one came with three sets on Neiman blanks, well, you could feel the love.......

Kindof like the first time the handbrake bulb lit up....it was magical.......

 

I can feel your pain, but honestly it wasn't that long ago that most people really didn't care about these items. The recent prices for Dino and 250 items has really brought the awareness home.
When I bought my 250 a few years ago. I found the tool roll, and the pouch and manuals along with original service records in the trunk under a pile of oily rags. Had obviously been forgotten.
The jack was missing however. Got one for free a few years later. Thanks Brian!!!

 

Damn, I just can't seem to shake that Hula Doll.

I know where it was last, perched on the back shelf of a really nice SWB.

DM

 

Getting ready to sell it back to you....... OK?

GAME ON

 

Cars are inanimate objects and have no property rights. The seller owns the car and everything on or in it. if something is not in the car, it's up to the buyer to ask for tools, books, records, whatever if that's what he/she wants. If the seller doesn't want to include something with the car, the buyer can decide not to buy...simple as that...caveat emptor...welcome to the world of capitalism...

 

Completely understand the frustration of having nothing, as its happened to me on all of mine,
Thus I have scoured the web to find the bits missing, tools, books, torches, covers, chargers etc!

Then I was accused of stealing things/keeping when in actual fact I just bought more than I needed, to sell or keep for future...