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  1. RP

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    #1 RP, Jun 23, 2008
    (If I read this correctly, it would have been OK for Ambrose to make this move at the end of the race, but not during? This is a similar move Montoya performed last year on his own teammate Scott Pruett, knocking Pruett out of the race and the win, and is what gave Montoya his first and only win in NASCAR. Yet when he gets it in return he forgets and becomes pompous)

    Juan Pablo Montoya criticized Australian Marcos Ambrose for the move that put the Colombian out of contention for victory when the Cup rookie ran into him while trying to pass Jamie McMurray.

    Ambrose, who was making his Sprint Cup series debut, was running fourth after completing his last pit stop but made an optimistic dive on the inside of McMurray while trying to pass him for third place into the last corner.

    The former Australian V8 Supercar champion went too deep under braking and hit the right rear corner of Montoya's car, which was running second at the time and was already turning into the final hairpin before the front stretch.

    "Well it's hard because the guy's got a lot of talent but you don't do things like that," Montoya said of Ambrose's move.

    "It's a last-lap move. You know, you don't do that so early, you've got to learn to pass one by one and you don't try to get three cars in one braking area because you're going to punt somebody off.

    "They told me 'he's coming, he's coming' and I moved out, I gave room for a car-length but he was coming in so fast that he stopped against me. So, It's pretty stupid, but what can you say."

    Montoya said Ambrose's lack of experience at Cup level probably made him run more aggressive than he should have and lamented falling victim of the Aussie's eagerness to prove his worth.

    "A guy like that, because he never runs here, doesn't understand the give-and-take as much, and he just wants to prove himself he can race here and I was at the bad end of that deal," Montoya added.

    The Ganassi driver was philosophical about his sixth-place finish after his strategy had worked to plan until lap 75, when the incident with Ambrose dashed his hopes of scoring his first victory of the season.

    "We could have maybe won the race or finished second easily or we could've been in one of those big wrecks where everybody else was," Montoya said. "So that's one of those deals where you could be lucky or you could be very unlucky."

    While Montoya scored his second top ten of the season, Ambrose didn't finish the race after Elliott Sadler crashed into him at turn seven in a similar incident to the Australian's with the defending race winner.
     
  2. Gilles27

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    #2 Gilles27, Jun 23, 2008
    Sounds like a little bit of "Do as I say, not as I do." hypocrisy here. I didn't see the race or Ambrose's move, but judging by the description his was a little more aggressive than JPM's. As I recall, Montoya drove into the corner underneath his teammate and didn't back off, pushing him off. Sounds like Ambrose came from further back and divebombed a little more. Anyone who saw it have comments?
     
  3. GrigioGuy

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    #3 GrigioGuy, Jun 23, 2008
    Ambrose dove bombed from 2 positions back. Kinda a bonehead move, but Montoya also left the door open by not hugging that corner.
     
  4. ctkellett

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    #4 ctkellett, Jun 23, 2008
    If you have not seen it, watch it before you compare it to an other coming together. Montoya was a bystander in this one, Ambrose could not get the car down to speed while passing an other car (for third place )and tapped the back of Montoya (running 2nd at the time) near the apex of the corner. Ambrose drove a very nice race up till that point. I am not sure how this makes for a good Montoya bashing thread but the facts have never gotten in the way of a flame before.
     
  5. RP

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    #5 RP, Jun 23, 2008
    I am learning Spanglish. Pompous, derived from the word pompis, maybe its the other way around. But pompis refers to one's buttocks.
     
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    #6 RP, Jun 23, 2008
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    You miss the point. I was watching this race live. I did see the move made by Ambrose, it was as Tillman says a dive bomb move, which Ambrose later became the victim of by another driver. NASCAR cars do not stop like Autrailian V8 series cars.

    The point is Montoya should have kept is mouth shut and just remembered what he did to win his only race in NASCAR. You want facts? Pruitt was leading the race, cleanly. Montoya spun out Pruitt. Pruitt was furious, as I would have been for being shoved out of the way and spun out by your own teammate. That team could have had a 1/2 if not for Montoya's desperate move.

    Fact is Montoya needs to shut up and concentrate on driving.

    And do not forget how in F1, Montoya "Ambrosed" his McLaren teammate Raikkonen and took them both out at the USGP a couple of years back.

    Ambrose's move was being over-zealous, Montoya's move last year was intentional. He's an ass.
     
  7. SPEEDCORE

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    #7 SPEEDCORE, Jun 23, 2008
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WluCpvCUCcw

    Going by that footage Ambrose didnt even see Montoya till it was too late. Certainly didn't do it on purpose.

    What was Montoya doing anyway? His line into the corner was different to everyone elses haha.
     
  8. waltk88

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    #8 waltk88, Jun 23, 2008
    You got your facts wrong (race series mixed up). JPM won a Nextel Cup race at Sonoma last year, benefiting from some lucky fuel strategy. That race did not involve taking out Pruett. Earlier last year, he won a Busch series race in Mexico City. This was the race in which he won the race from 19th position with 24 laps left, punting off Pruett on the way.
     
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    #9 ctkellett, Jun 23, 2008
    Look, I have no intention of getting into a pointless internet fight over this but I believe that you also missed my point. Your personal bias overshadows the facts in this case. I am not saying that Montoya does not give people plenty of cause over the years but to start a "dislike" list over this incident is silly and childish.
     
  10. b-mak

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    #10 b-mak, Jun 23, 2008
    Ambrose's move was clean.

    Once he committed to the move his view was obstructed by the car he was passing and he wouldn't have been able to predict that JPM was going to put his car in exactly that spot. I wouldn't call it a low-percentage move, but it wasn't a 100% either. I would have done the same as Ambrose and have pulled similar passes in past.
     
  11. RP

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    #11 RP, Jun 23, 2008
    I do not share you view. I did not miss your point. The purpose of a forum is to discuss one's opinions about a situation, topic, event, etc. It's not to keep away from controversial topics. You do not have to read a thread you do not like. Disagree with me if you like, your perogative. But then your opinion is not the only one that is relavant, so to accuse someone of being silly and childish is a description better suited for your comments.

    Very simple.


    (waltk88, I think you are correct about the venue that Montoya won his first race, my error. But the location is not the point, the action is)
     
  12. moretti

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    #12 moretti, Jun 23, 2008
    I never liked the way Ambrose use to drive in the V8 stupid cars here but that move was the cleanest I've EVER seen him make !!

    He has punted off heaps of people before but that episode was all Montoya's fault for the way he moved across heavily (just taking the apex sure) but also not allowing for anyone coming fast which Ambrose was (and he knew it apparently)

    Hell, wait until Ambrose gets into full swing and starts doing it on purpose, half the field will be spinning , he is a brilliant driver so I have no idea why he slams into people but this incident was just that, an incident where Montoya moved his car into the path of a faster car making a dive down the inside ... .this is racing isn't is, and he didn't cut the corner to make the move stick like some other drivers we could name :p
     
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    #13 Whisky, Jun 23, 2008

    What do you guys watch on Sunday ?

    ALL drivers do this at some point, EVERY ONE of them.

    But - since JPM is so well-loved here (sic), he gets front-page headlines....
     
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    #14 Gilles27, Jun 24, 2008
    The moment I saw this thread I knew it would be all about JPM and little about the move itself.
     
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    #15 ferraripete, Jun 24, 2008
    no one talks about how he marched through the field as he did. he should make us a little proud as road racers and road racing fans.

    he was very quick and was exciting to see. btw...again i say, how long will it be before nascar decides that toyota has dominated enough? i can imagine that rick hendrick has made severl calls into the france's asking how they plan to get control of the series. how can they let the japanese upstage american muscle? lol
     
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    #16 Gilles27, Jun 24, 2008
    Not to mention that he basically called that before the race. Montoya wasn't concerned about qualifying 21st, knowing that he had a good race setup. Was that being cocky? I'm sure some folks would think so.
     
  17. PaulVincent

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    #17 PaulVincent, Jun 24, 2008
    It's nice that youtube provided the footage in slow motion.
     
  18. Ambassiatore

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    #18 Ambassiatore, Jun 24, 2008
    ...heheheheheeeee...Ron´s got a point, he´s got all the points... Montoya only endorse the move if it´s intentional...if it´s a mistake then the other guy is a morron...

    ...that´s how he drives and is clean as long as he´s doing it...go Ask, Kimmi, Trulli, Schumacher Brothers, Coulthard...

    Only thing is in NASCAR you are allowed to fight back!!!...Just like Newman and a lot of other drivers have done...He´s dirty and mean intensioned when moving up the field...

    ...he´s really good at circuits...so WHY IN HELL does he have to TOUCH everyone...

    Tha´s my main reason...
     
  19. Agent Smith

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    #19 Agent Smith, Jun 24, 2008
    What if we have more than 10 reasons to dislike him? :)
     
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    #20 opus10583, Jun 24, 2008
    Send on a postcard to: Juan Pinball Montoya, Cooterpossum Holler, Kleetusville, NC 00000.

    ..."You broke my f*cking head!" will always be number one, however.
     
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    #23 SonomaRik, Jun 24, 2008
    +1 : first NASCAR I've ever went to, and I thought JPM [hated him in F1 especially that move on Shumi in the MCarlo tunnel on a safety car] was in the correct sport. He did well and it wasn't his fault. Racing incident? don't know.

    I was on Turn 3, Infineon last Sunday and JPM was taking more chances on every curb, sidewall and passing situation I could see. Fact is, he appeared more gutsy, but as sad as it was for Ambrose, he didn't perform correctly in that race.
     

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