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TR being sued by Fed Gov't.

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by andre#4, Sep 25, 2012.

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  1. andre#4

    andre#4 Rookie

    Jul 29, 2011
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    I am still looking for a tr to buy. Someone kindly pointed me in the direction of what looks like a nice one. It has only 8k mi, and price about $60. I also do a vin search on google, to find out more. (sometimes I can see cars bouncing around from one dealer to another this way). But this time, I find it the defendant in a Lawsuit. I don't see how the car can be the defendant. How could it have committed a crime? Doesn't it take free will to do that?

    Here is the car.

    http://www.cityofcars.com/vehicledetails.aspx?VID=159808840

    Here is where the case info is...

    http://dockets.justia.com/docket/michigan/miedce/2:2011cv13572/261584/

    I assume this is some type of repossession case, but why not have the defendant be a person rather than the goods themselves? What if the goods are not owned by the person who committed the crimes and or defaulted on payment? Can the gov't just pick cars it likes off the street and sue them in court, no matter who owns them? How so these cars pay for court costs? Are cars allowed to have attorneys? Can cars be arrested? Can they get the death penalty? Can they be pardoned? I don't see how an innocent car is supposed to defend itself, especially if the owner is not aware of the arrest/suit/claim/etc. What if the owner was out of town, and when he came back, he found his car has been sued in court, and lost? This seems surreal. Of course, UPS legally owns the color brown. So, I guess I better not go to the bathroom.

    But seriously, can one of our esteemed attorneys enlighten me on this? (Seems to be a new tactic) Can cars incorporate themselves to avoid these suits?
     
  2. andre#4

    andre#4 Rookie

    Jul 29, 2011
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    The car, aside from the legal aspect seems awfully tempting. But the 8,800 miles scares me, because the carfax has no dates corresponding to previous mileage readings, so I have no way of knowing how many miles it has covered recently. Those 8,800 miles could have been done 20 years ago, with no use since. I would be wrong to buy it then, correct? Also I suppose that if the gov't had it in their custody, it was almost certainly abused in the parking lot by the gov't agents. I guess I answered my own question.
     
  3. JoeZaff

    JoeZaff F1 Veteran
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    #3 JoeZaff, Sep 25, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2012
    Andre,

    Take a step back for a minute...I know you want a TR, but let's think this through...

    What part of this car sounds good to you?

    The fact that is being seized as part of a government forfeiture? (I am sure the car has been well maintained... defendant's in forfeiture actions are usually the best owners, and I am sure the government has taken pristine care of her since taking possession :rolleyes: )

    The fact that it has no service history?


    The fact that it has 8,800 undocumented miles

    The fact that they are asking 60K? ....the world is full of low mileage Testarossas..., mileage alone is not an indicator of anything except lack of use...and that is assuming the mileage is accurate.


    Here's my .02
    BUY A FERRARI BASED ON CONDITION ONLY, NOT MILES...AND BUY THE BEST ONE YOU CAN AFFORD



    You don't want to buy Rob's car because you fear you wouldn't be able to get out of it, but you are looking now at a forfeitured TR for 60K? WTF?


    Your entering a world where a rubber gasket costs $500.00 and OEM wheel lugs cost $150 a piece. As I told you before, the Testarossa is THE most expensive regular production modern era Ferrari to own and maintain (except maybe the 355) ... buy the wrong car and you are going to get upside down quick.

    There is no rush to buy a TR, is there? Take your time, speak to as many owners and experts as possible, learn everything you can about the car and then get the right people to assist you on your search. It took me years to find mine, it may take you equally long to find yours...in the end, hopefully she will be worth the time and energy spent...
     
  4. ozziindaus

    ozziindaus F1 Veteran

    Aug 16, 2012
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    No its the "Star in Miami Vice" part
     
  5. andre#4

    andre#4 Rookie

    Jul 29, 2011
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    You are right. I think my mind got a little fried. After a few minutes I was reminded of a car with 3,000 miles for $45k a short time ago, and I knew it was no good. As for why I couldn't detect that in this one instantly, I guess I just have too much on my mind. I'll see if I can edit that post so lots of other people don't have to answer the same as you. I shouldn't have made it about the car. My real interest was how an automobile could be a defendant. I thought you had to be a person or a corporation to be a defendant.
     
  6. ago car nut

    ago car nut F1 Veteran
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    I think the advice:
    BUY A FERRARI ON CONDITION ONLY, NOT MILES... AND BUY THE BEST ONE YOU CAN AFFORD

    It is real easy to disconnect the speedometers on the earlier Ferrari's.



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