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TR clutch not disengaging, where should spacer shim be?

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  1. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
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    Nov 11, 2003
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    Brian Brown
    I am working on a 1990 TR that has a problem with the clutch dragging. The clutch hydraulics are working fine, if the clutch pedal is depressed to the floor, I can see that there is a gap of 2-3mm between the 2nd clutch disk and the flywheel. The problem seems to be that the first clutch disk is dragging between the pressure plate and the center steel plate.

    There are spacer washers that adjust the spring force of the pressure plate. They appear to be installed incorrectly on this car. The order of assembly is the spacer washer is installed first, then the spring strap from the center steel plate, then the pressure plate. This order seems to cause the center steel plate to compress the first clutch disk against the pressure plate.

    It appears that there is a relief cut for the spring strap, which would go on first and then the spacer washer and then the pressure plate. This would space the pressure plate and center steel plate away from each other and allow both disks to spin free when the clutch was disengaged.

    Neither the shop manual, nor the parts manual show the order of assembly. So before I take the time to take it all apart, does anyone know the correct order?

    Thanks in advance.
    Brian Brown
     
  2. Ferrari_tech

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    #2 Ferrari_tech, Apr 14, 2005
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    Brian,

    Does this help, also when you have the clutch out I would check the spigot bearing.

    Measure the discs for wear, the thickness of the clutch disc without load is 8.2mm and the wear limit for each disc is 1.2mm
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  3. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
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    Malcolm,

    That diagram is the one shown in the workshop manual, unfortunately it does not show the orientation of the spring strap for the center steel section.

    Looking at your diagram, the spring strap is located between the pressure plate and the distance ring (A). My question is, does the spacer (X) go against the distance ring (A) and then the strap is installed or does the strap go against the distance ring (A) and then the spacer (X) is installed?

    The distance ring (A) has a relief cut in it that matches the thickness of the spring straps. The are only three spring straps and three relief cuts, on the other three bolts the spacer (X) is installed directly between the pressure plate and distance ring (A) as shown in the diagram.

    If you have a TR in the shop, you can easily see the orientation of the parts by looking in the hole in the bellhousing next to the timing inspection plate, you might have to bump the engine over so you can see one of the three studs that has the spring strap on it.

    The clutch is brand new, and was replaced as unit using corrrect sized spacers (X) as supplied by AP Lockheed in the kit.

    Thanks!
    Brian
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    The order you describe in the first post is correct. You are still looking for your problem.

    What you describe from visual observation is not unusual either. The floater plate often if not always stays against the disc, as long as there is no pressure the clutch should be free. Is the disc rusted either to the floater plate, pressure plate, or shaft? I would not allow what you are observing to distract from the matter at hand, simple lack of gap will not cause the clutch to drag.

    Btw if it is a new clutch QA is not very good on them and out of the box problems are not uncommon.
     

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