THE TESTAROSSA ENGINE AND THE PORSCHE 911 ENGINES ARE FLAT ENGINES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_engine http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/flat%20engine Neither of these are true Boxer engines incidentally because their pistons don't move simultaneously in and out. Rather, they move in the same manner as a traditional V engine--- So you can also think of them as V engines with the banks at 180 degrees. However, by definition they are FLAT engines YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME WITH THIS.
I swear I heard you say the exact same thing about the Mondial a while back Now the 308, there's a good looking car.
V engines have matching cylinder pairs from each bank mounted to the same pin on the crankshaft. This means that first one cylinder hits top dead center, then the next. Boxer engines have the connecting rods connect to separate pins on the crank, so that the pairs of cylinders are always moving in opposite directions (they both move out together, then back in). Technically "flat" refers to the engine's layout and not operation, so you could say a 180 degree V-8 or V-12 is a "flat 8" or "flat 12", but most people understand "flat" to mean "horizontally opposed boxer engine" since there are very few 180 degree V engines, so it's probably better to specify to avoid confusion. The TR and Boxer both have 180 degree V-12, not boxer engines. While often advertised to have a "flat 12" engine, but while that is the layout, they are technically 180 degree V-12, not a boxer. The TR and Boxer owners manual also refer to the engines as 180 degree V-12s.
Haha...I adore the Mondial, always will. But Ferrari should have just packed it in after the Testarossa I mean, really, where do you go from there? Ever since the Testarossa its been Ferrari surf boards and amusement parks BTW--My flame suit is still on
Actually, the original air-cooled 911 had individual crank throws for the pistons, so it really was a boxer. Seven main bearings.
Which ever "1" is worth MORE!!!....that is the "1" I OWN!!!....I had a Ford with a 170 CI 6 cylinder....had 7 main bearings....didn't realize till now it was a V6.....Mark
The original statement was, "IMHO, I think the TR without a computer is one of the last Ferraris that can be repaired and maintained by an owner and mechanic". Based on THAT statement a TR IS one of that last that can maintained or repaired by the owner BECAUSE it doesn't have a COMPUTER. Nothing was said about engine in, engine out. With that said, I agree that the 308 IS easier than a TR for the reasons you state above..
Hello Spasso; You have to consider the source of the post...that "guy" does more waffling than a Grand Slam Breakfest at Denny's, & will NEVER admit to being wrong......Mark
With that said, I agree that the 308 IS easier than a TR for the reasons you state above..[/QUOTE] Come on!!! What about the digiplex ignition computers in the 308? Do I have a Boxer 8 in my 308 and a V12 in my 512TR? Which is easier to work on, the digiplex units or the Motronic 2.7? I''m just so confused.
Joe - you sure are passionate about the TR but you have so much to learn about this section... Odds are there will be at least three more threads started about values of the TR climbing/falling, lack of rear tires, what is the right replacement door seal and at least one more differential thread started before the weekend ends. Either that or we will have another timing belt thread followed by a heated debate about whether or not the TR is a supercar. ROOKIE!
LOL! I'm learning...slowly I understand the need for threads that troubleshoot and others that address known weaknesses. Heck, the work that Philwozza and Newman have done is invaluable. However, as a guy coming in from the Mondial brotherhood, this place can be downright depressing You rarely see a good thread on wonderful road trips or great experiences with the testarossa. As the new guy, let me say, you testarossa folks spend way too much time waiting for the other shoe to drop. The TR is, IMHO, without a doubt the most spectacular regular production car to ever leave Maranello. It's like owning the Mona Lisa and *****ing because the paint is cracking. It's been almost 9 months since I got my TR, and I still can't stop saying "Holy Crap, I have a Testarossa!" I've got extra kool aid if any of you folks are running low Image Unavailable, Please Login
Right after I bought it I said, " HOLY CRAP...I HAVE A TESTAROSSA". Right after Robert Hayden's differential puked at 10 kph on a straight road I said, " HOLY CRAP...I HAVE A TESTAROSSA". It's all relative, and you know how we feel about relatives. .......................
What about them? I have two engine ECU's to your one. So what. Yours is a V8 with a flat crank.. The TR has a FLAT cylinder configuration but uses a crankshaft from a V-12 engine thus the classification as a 180 degree V-12. I don't know anybody that "works on" Digiplex units. Usually they are REPLACED. The Motronic system is more complicated because it is used in conjunction with OBD1 or II, you will need a computer to read the OBD codes just to find out what is wrong with your car. A REGULAR TR HAS NO CODES, NO MOTRONIC AND NO COMPUTER. Self induced.
After 12 yrs of TR ownership - i think i can comment on a few things more than most based on my experience....not sure how many owners are past the 10 yr mark....but those that are, will understand well (i think) 1) Im tired of these threads of price...from where i bought too now, it doesnt matter 2) You better LOVE this car...cause if you dont, getting a divorce is easier than being a TR owner 3) Its the most reliable 12 banger around in the price range 4) Not to old of a car to be outdated on the road - power,or looks wise 5) Icon impact on the world market when announced...will be in automotive history 6) You cant have mine for 50 grand,or 70 grand cause you wont understand how ive mantained this car , so you cant have it at the bottom feeder price 7) GO FIND YOUR OWN 8) How about i just keep it 9) Poor me, im stuck with a TR that i cant sell for 100k 10) Boxer owners are jealous becaue the TR doesn't look like a 308 on steriods Hopefully, the really abused cars get cut up for parts for the rest of us...the decent drivers stay with enthusisants who have to spend $$$$ to keep them driving...and i will be the first to say ...getting a Testarossa to 61,000kms, (40,000 Miles) in 23-27 yrs takes LOTS and LOTS of Money....for those that do, enjoy the ride....you earned it and paid for it. For those that have the museum piece in bubble wrap, please keep the car just like that...and dont keep it in the sun please...i will be around soon enough to buy it to replace the one i am enjoying right now with many miles
YES!!!!...& I have MANY TIMES!!!....to belabour & stand upon a false position & statement is the mark of an ignorant person, I would rather admit wrong or guilt, as for myself that is a sign of charactor...to prove my point, here is a thread I STARTED to apologize for my actions at Infineon Raceway...have you EVER SEEN a person START a thread on FerrariChat to APOLOGIZE!!!!...link to thread.....Mark http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322420
I was teasing!!! I know what the cars have. I was simply laughing at the comment that "no new ferraris have computers." The V8 vs V12 was also in similar vane. BTW...the 512tr is not obd II....and I actually find the systems easier to work on than the old Bosch CIS/Multiplex. Error codes can pinpoint where the errors occur, not lead you down the guess work road.
