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Traffic awareness for the F1 transmission...

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by James_Woods, Aug 2, 2007.

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  1. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

    May 17, 2006
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    I was discussing the paddle shifters with some younger guys at work. They know I don't like it much; but their
    take was that it can shift far faster than I can in the Testarossa (-Duh- an Uzi is faster than a bolt action rifle)
    etc. etc.

    I came back that I would be afraid to use it in stop/go traffic for fear it might burn itself up - with a clutch,
    I can let the car coast as needed, or just do a slow creep without slipping the clutch.

    Then I had a mild brainstorm - why not couple a cruise-control computer to it like Mercedes has. It adjusts to
    traffic ahead for the purpose of car separation distance, or can even sort of pre-brake for you if you get way too close.

    The idea would be to look ahead and realize that it needs to dampen out the rev-and-slip stuff like a driver with a foot clutch
    would do? Perhaps it could also sense the grade of the road when reversing or holding on hills aka San Francisco and intervene
    in those cases with brakes, etc.?

    Bear in mind that I want no part of such things Nanny, and it may already be patented and done.

    But it was just an idea on a slow afternoon.

    James
     
  2. opus10583

    opus10583 Formula 3

    Dec 3, 2003
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    Pulling both paddles forces the F1 into Neutral, no?
     
  3. h00kem

    h00kem Guest

    Dec 15, 2004
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    I don't think there is a problem to be fixed here. The F-1 transmission works quite well in traffic and I personally have not seen any accelerated consumption of my F-1 clutch over my 5 speed F-car. The decision of which transmission is a personal preference. Ferrari has recognized this and addressed it by offering both styles.
     
  4. PaulC

    PaulC Formula 3

    Feb 11, 2003
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    get the car rolling with the starter motor before the clutch engages would be the best way to preserve the clutch. Hybrid Ferrari using Saturn technology. Flame on!!!
     
  5. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

    May 17, 2006
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    I like it. I used to have to do that with my Corvair when the clutch cable broke. Learned a lot about shifting without the clutch, too.

    Seriously, I kind of knew I was going to get a few blasts from people who love their paddle shifters, but I think I see a consensus of owners who find them very clunky in traffic, pulling up hills from a stop, and even trying to reverse at low speed for any distance.

    For example, there are numerous "clutch burned out at X miles" in the Ferrari pages, and a real horror story in the Maserati section on a Quattroporte. Maserati, itself, seems to have given up on this technology for their 4-door and is going with a torque converter. A Lambo Murcie owner admitted to me that he was a little disturbed by the grab and go in traffic, too.

    I know of at least one RUF turbo which was converted back to a normal clutch from that auto-clutch system beloved to Aloise.

    Some may not know that the ZR1 Corvette was supposed to have a Valeo auto-clutch back in the day but it got nixed by Chevy engineering as unreliable and undriveable.

    My point was a constructive one - could there be a refinement of technology to make these transmissions drive easier in real-world situations?
     
  6. h00kem

    h00kem Guest

    Dec 15, 2004
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    I agree that the F-1 was very clunky in the the F355, less so but still clunky in the F360 but by the time it got to the 575M and for sure the F430 it had evolved into a doggone great system IF you are looking for a paddle shifter. I guess Ferrari could have gone the Porsche Tip or BMW SMG semi-auto I-don't-know-what-I-am shifter route but quite honestly they are nothing but watered-down automatics. At least Ferrari's later paddle shifting system gives one great performance with the convenience of no left pedal. And I don't believe it is at the expense of the clutch at least in civilized driving - can't say for track and for the guy who wants to over rev the engine and burn out the tires all the time.

    My point is that is it a damn good system that continues to improve. It isn't for everyone but it sure makes city driving quite bearable for those folks who don't care to shift around town.
     
  7. Artvonne

    Artvonne F1 Veteran

    Oct 29, 2004
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    I remember that old Walter Mathau movie where he was herding that old V-12 through traffic, clouds of oil smoke wafting out the back. Car in the shop, carbon on the valves, carbon on the valves. You cant lug that thing around in heavy traffic and expect it to perform well when you open her up on the entrance ramp. Was cool though to see him tromp on it in an opening and once she cleared out, gave a good howl as she cleaned her plugs. But sadly it was back on the brakes to crawl 20 mph in heavy traffic. How sad.

    I imagine the F1 gearbox, at least initially, was built as a real F1 driving machine. The 355 SEGA game had the car out on differing race tracks, and everyone said it was pretty realistic. Forcing that high stepping race horse to stroll through a crowd of people in low gear is kind of out of place for what it was built to do. I bet the guys who stay out of traffic and dont make it slip have no real clutch trouble? The only reason to drive around in traffic on any regualr basis is only to be seen IMHO. The reason to stay out of the city and drive it like ya stole it is because you like to drive as it was intended. Just because it costs so much does not mean it was built to be a multi purpose vehicle. I bet if it was 4 wheel drive someone would drive it down a logging trail and then complain when it ultimately got stuck. Me thinks some expect to much? Nope, I see no fairlead on the nose. Curb feelers might be in order for some of ya'll though. Just kidding a bit.
     
  8. UConn Husky

    UConn Husky F1 Rookie

    Nov 11, 2006
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    I do worry about clutch burnout in traffic conditions. Unfortunately I live and work in the same town, and do enjoy driving it as much as possible (not to be seen BTW) but rather because it's my dream car. So I have to deal with stop lights...

    Fortunately if you understand how the F1 works you can adjust technique to minimize clutch wear. When crawling either in 1st or R the clutch is slipping, so try to avoid that. In stop and go, leave a gap then get on the gas. If you have to crawl downhill, let it roll in N. It's all worth it for the 100 mile ride I had on Tues, blasting up and down through the gears on twisty up and downhills on heavily wooded streets...pure heaven! (yes, had to pay my dues with some stop and go to get there though :) :) :) )
     

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