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Trailer Tires: Help

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  1. JohnnyS

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    We have an 8 x 10 single axel trailer that is blowing tires every year. The tire size is ST205/75D-15. These are 1820 lb rated and bias ply types. I am tired of replacing these along with the rim because the failure seems to occur as a blowout on the highway. I have read that there is a bunch of tires made in China that fail in under 1000 miles and I think these are one of those. Having the latest blowout on I-294 in Chicago at night, two nights ago.

    Does anyone have suggestions on what we can upgrade to? Is there a particular brand that is better?
     
  2. hardtop

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    It can be tough to find non Chinese trailer tires, but worth the effort and cost.

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    Had same problem replacing Marathons from GoodYear 2- 3 times until I discovered that its the weight rating that matters more than the brand. I now have Higher rated tires ( went from D to E) made in China BUT NO problems. word to the wise: Monitor your trailer weight and watch your speed.
     
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    Trailers are hard on tires as the usually run a lot of camber to help them tow straight
     
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    Those tires are referred to as "china bombs". Those were the first thing my neighbor replaced when he bought a brand new travel trailer. Spend the money to get good tires. Michelin, Goodyear, etc.
     
  9. JohnnyS

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    Thanks for the comments. I think I will go to radials and increase the weight rating to 2150 lbs each. I also need to get some of the junk out of the trailer. It is a scout trailer and scouts seem to collect a bunch of stuff.;)
     
  10. JohnnyS

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    +1 Beats the heck out of changing a tire on the highway, in the dark when temps are 15F!
     
  11. SpecialK43

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    Trailer tires have become an issue for anyone looking to replace them lately.....anyone that thinks they don't want Chinese tires (ie goodyear) should see where they're actually made.
     
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    This guy has figured it out. Also, make sure the air pressure is maxed out.
     
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    As SpecialK43 said, make sure the air pressure is correct or as high as possible. If it's low, the tire will warm up increasing the likelihood of a blowout.
     
  14. Mitch Alsup

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    How much weight are you towing?
     
  15. normv

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    Hello we live very close to Elkhart In. which is the trailor and RV capital of the world and we use a lot trailor tires and they all seem to made in China now. Watch your tire pressure and weight class, But Most important when not in use "keep them covered from the sun" UV will kill them faster than time and weight.
     
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    #18 JohnnyS, Jan 22, 2011
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    The trailer is a standard 6 x 10 enclosed trailer with one axle. I haven't been up to see the actual paperwork, but these things run about 1000 lbs empty with a 3000 lb total weight rating. So if the tires are 1820 lb rated, we should be well within the load rating of 3640 lb total load weight. Doing a mental check of the stuff in the trailer, I can't believe we have 2000 lbs of stuff. So, I think the tires are just junk.


    We are going to upgrade to ST225/75R15 with a 2500 lb load rating.
     
  18. PV Dirk

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    You don't say how many years you've had the trailer but every year is too often, even with junk tires. The majority of blow outs are due to underinflation.
     
  19. Challengehauler

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    Weight rating is governed by the axle capacity not the tires safe load rating. You could have 2k lbs rated tires on a 1500 lbs axle which means 1500 lbs.

    You of course want the tires weight rating to be 15-20% or more than the axle rating, but that rating really has nothing to do with the trailers capacity. ( I suspect you are asking because a higher rated tire may increase life)

    Tires in question would be Wanli? They are dangerous.

    I agree with what was stated above. Make sure the tires are at the correct psi every day. Generally trailer tires do not like anything above 68-70 mph.

    Try losing one on a tandem axle single tire and a 40K lb trailer :) not fun...not fun at all.
     
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    #21 JohnnyS, Jan 24, 2011
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    We have run less than 1000 miles on each of 3 blownout tires. Typically, the tires are used on the trailer to go to scout camp (600 mile round trip) and short campouts (less than 50 miles and less than 6 per year.) The tires are the cheap ones so I think they are just junk. Under inflated? Perhaps, but not by much. Like 45 psi on a 50 psi rating.
     
  21. JohnnyS

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    +1 There is no way we have 2000lbs of stuff in the trailer so it is not overloaded. Trailer load is 2000 lbs + the weight of the trailer of 950 lbs. So, less than 3000 lbs. The tires rated for 1820 lbs loading should be fine, but they are not.

    The suspension is a torsion system with essentially no bounce. I think the tires are taking all the brunt of the bumps and I believe the radials will be better for that.

    Can these tires lose their rim seal at pressure?
     
  22. SpecialK43

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    Generally, the more pressure in the tire the better they will maintain a seal (more force holding the tire to the bead). If the beads are corroded, they will lose air over time. How much pressure it loses depends on how corroded the beads are. Compressed air will also lose more pressure than nitrogen over the same amount of time. Not by much, but it does. Even if your using the same brand I have a hard time believing you got three junk tires at three different times. It's possible the dealer could have bought many from the same batch but only the DOT numbers can give you an idea on that(I don't even keep track of my tires in that detail). It's hard to diagnose problems over the internet.

    I'm surprised a reputable tire dealer couldn't give you the answers you're looking for. My best e-advice.... Step up to the 225's, make sure your tire pressure is maxed out, and you shouldn't have any more problems. As the above poster indicated, almost every blow out is due to under-inflation and since I'm not staring at the tire I can't give you an honest reply to why they're going out on you.
     
  23. PV Dirk

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    A lot of sitting time, it's been said before, also keep the sun off them.
     
  24. Challengehauler

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    An over pressurized tire can blow at the seal when impacting a speed bump, pothole, etc.

    The correct way to maintain the trailer tires is to set them at ambient, then at about the 100-120 mile mark check them again and bleed off if needed. I started running nitrogen in the big truck tires so I wouldn't have to spend a month refilling them each morning. I also started carrying a tire pyrometer with me so I could monitor and record potential failures.

    A true statement from above - "The majority of blow outs are due to underinflation." - this is usually because tire pressures are not monitored enough. I check mine every morning and at every stop, once more at the end of the day. Stopped having blow outs.
     

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