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Transmission ECU Cali T

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  1. James cln

    James cln Formula Junior

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    Hi , I am replacing my naughty transmission with another that I bought used ( only has 6000 miles) . I had dealer install a new ACU thinking that would fix problem in existing tranny but of course it didn’t. I found a new used one (2015 just like mine) to swap
    into my 2015 Cali T . Will the new ECU marry up to the replacement tranny ok . Thanks in advance , james in San Antonio.
     
  2. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Don't wanna sound like I'm asking a dumb question or a bad statement..but you replaced an expensive transmission assembly..and STILL has the same issue you were trying to solve?

    Forgive me..but can you describe what issue you are having? Have you taken it to a competent shop or dealer to have a proper diagnosis done?
     
  3. James cln

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  4. James cln

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    Naw guess I wasn’t clear . The ACU is in the trunk . My authorized dealer did complete diagnostic checks and the ACU was not putting out the proper voltage. Sadly that didn’t fix it . It was skipping even numbered gears and had CEL . Then they determined that it has a bad speed sensor and bad SAP in tranny. I have the original transmission which needs to be fixed . They are telling me that if I want them to install a used one I found they cannot match it up to my trans Ecu as fna will not provide program to install .Very perplexing. Thanks , james
     
  5. Ferrari Tech

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    It is true that the transmissions have a marriage file so the ECU know what you have. However, I have swapped transmissions in Challange cars without changing the file. I was told by a higher up in the tech support field that it will work but it may take much longer for the systems to understand each other. I don't know the particulars or the what and why.
    Having said that, it is just what I was told. I haven't done this on a street car so I am not sure what you will experience.
     
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  6. James cln

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    Thanks man , really appreciate your input . James
     
  7. windsock

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    The only thing that will occur without a marriage file is the serial number in the TCU will not match the serial number on the gearbox. Ensure the software levels are correct and Perform a self learn and drive the car. I would just replace the Speed sensor it is very common for the speed sensor to cause multiple errors relating to the SAP. I would suggest installing a new speed sensor, all the pressure sensors and the temperature sensor in you original box and it will be good to go.
     
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  8. James cln

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    Wow ! Mr Windsock sure appreciate your council. I was thinking that perhaps the SAP is not really bad as you suggest . Problem is when dealer opens it up I will be out about 8 grand in labor . Then if we only replaced sensor and Sap is still bad , we would have to start over . Anyhow I found a used tranny from a wrecked Cali T w only 6000 miles on it .Plus to R/R the old one with it is about $3,000 . Sooo I decided to do that and seller has agreed if the gearbox he sold me has a problem,I would have my money refunded minus shipping back to him. Thought that made the most sense but dealer says w/o a marriage program which he says FNA refuses to sell us , it may or may not work .
    Interestingly he started by telling me the tranny ECU was naughty. Said it was not putting out the proper voltage and thought it needed replacing. $3500 later , nope same symptoms . Sorry we will do more testing .Of course he assured me ECU was bad and he did , in fairness, tell me it might not solve the problem. After doing extensive computer analysis, I was told we need speed sensor and SAP . What a mess .
    Sooo that’s why I decided to swap for the new used one w 6,000 miles. My T has about 45,000miles . Thanks my friend for your input. I have an independent who says he is sure he can r/r and set it up w/o marriage software . Thanks james
     
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  9. tbakowsky

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    Keep in mind. Ferrari has completely changed the way they sell the "SAP" kits..if you can even call it that anymore. And the pricing is EYE WATERING. Have a look on Eurospares and all will come clear. I wish you the minimal amount of wallet damage..
     
  10. James cln

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    Yep that’s why I have decided to put in a new used gearbox. Not to mention the huge expense of labor installing the SAP . You are absolutely right . Thanks , Tom , appreciate you .
     
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  11. D-Gunz

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    I believe i'm in the same "boat" you are in with my '11 Cal. Started acting up a few weeks ago; multiple code errors (When its cold car runs fine - but once it heats up I get crazy codes and lose even gears and reverse) - we think its an ECU issue, bad ground? or worse... the internal sensors but oddly car runs "fine" when its cold..hmmmmm
     
  12. tbakowsky

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    That's symptoms of a hydraulic problem. Usually when the speed senor acts up you will only be able to shift odd gears 1,3,5,7. Losing a gear completely randomly seems like a solenoid issue.

    First things..change that fluid. Do it twice if it hasn't been done in a while. On the rare occasion this can solve a few problems. It's a very inexpensive try.
     
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  13. D-Gunz

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    brand new fluid (used spec shell DCT & gear oil from Ferrari) - done last month. Car has run flawless the past 30,000 miles / 3yr that I've owned her. Just started acting up out of nowhere 2 weeks ago. My mechanic thinks it could be a "bad ecu" (in the trunk) potentially.... fingers crossed
     
  14. D-Gunz

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    Speed sensor was already replaced. My guys said he has never seen that fail 2x!!!
     
  15. tbakowsky

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    He is correct..but things happen. As a side note, I have seen broken forks in the gearbox side..if you pull it down again, it may not be a bad idea to inspect that area also.

    Just to add a bit of something, I have never replaced a TCU in a Cali, 458, f12, 488 etc. As far as I know, they are not.known to cause issues. But it is possible I have been lucky.
     
  16. D-Gunz

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    I read on this board about 1 guy who had "bad wiring" and ground issues; and that fixed his problems - I know that after these basic checks, if the ECU work after all the ground tests are done (and ECU swap)- then obviously its going to be something electronic internally ~ i'm just trying to save 20 hour of labor!!!!
     
  17. D-Gunz

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    TCU turned out fine (after swapping with a new/test one) - so the issue(s) got narrowed down to a speed sensor (since parameters were all the place while driving), and problems with the 2nd gear sticking (thinks it could be syncro issue); harness will be checked when the subframe gets dropped (before the tranny gets opened = last resort!) will update as info comes my way...
     
  18. windsock

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    The only thing the marriage file does is change the serial number of the transmission. Everything else can be reproduced by performing a self learn on the gearbox. If you had a failed speed sensor it will often through all kinds of other codes as it will usually pull the power supply down and have shift position and pressure issues as well. This could likely have been fixed with speed sensors, updating the pressure sensors and temperature sensors.

    Install your new used transmission perform a full self learn with the scan tool and it should operate perfectly.
     

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