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348 TS vs GTS - worth the price difference?

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  1. Finpat

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    Hello, Team 348/355!

    As a long time P-car and Alfa Romeo enthusiastic Ferraris have always fascinated me but my experience with the marque is limited to few shotgun rides on local car meets. Perhaps, now when kids are about to leave the nest and there will be more space in the garage it is time to consider Ferrari experience.

    I am currently living in Europe and have been looking the market for a short while and it seems that there is a clear price difference, perhaps 15k€ ± 5k€ between comparable TS and GTS. I am aware the differences, at least the major ones, on the paper, but my noob question is about the difference in real life.

    Assuming there is TS and GTS on the market with comparable condition and service history, does it make sense to pay 10k€ - 20k€ premium for GTS or is that money better spent on "TS service and emergency" -fund?
     
  2. Ferrarium

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    My personal feeling is it depends. Other may disagree of course but this is just my take. If you want to drive and enjoy the car around town and cruising and generally enjoying life, its essentially the same car. If your looking as an "investment" and I use that terms loosely where and hope to buy a car, drive it 1000 miles and hope to get the same money back then it "may" be worth the latter car. No guarantee the GTS won't need an emergency fund either. Looking at the car driving by, no one knows the difference and I doubt anyone can notice the extra few HP on cars this old. Now if you have money to burn and either car is a weeks salary and want the best example of more sought after ones is rarer color spec and price is no object then sure GTS. Does it make a difference to someone who saved to buy one so they can simply enjoy driving (not throttle it on a track at the edge) it and wants to look amazing doing it, I highly doubt that.

    Good luck with your decision.
     
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    Thank you, Ferrarium for an insightful response with many different angles. My planned use case is a beautiful cruiser for sunny summer days but with decent enough driving experience when pushing to 7/10 or so. An upgrade for my current toy, Alfa Romeo 916 Spider V6 which looks nice and Busso signs beautifully with Ragazzon ss pipes but spirited drive is mediocre at the best even with all the upgrades to suspension and chassis reinforcements.

    I used to have 987 Boxster Spyder which certainly ticked all the boxes but then I was living in US where driving a sports car is not a taxable offence like here in Northern parts of the Europe. In theory I could rather comfortably afford to buy a new Porsche or even Ferrari here but I do have a strong distaste to pay 50k€+ just taxes for a 80k€-100k€ car. Or in case e.g. new Ferrari Roma tax free price is 167k€ and the taxes are 166k€ so you pay 333k€ or so...

    The optimal car enthusiast tax strategy is to have 0% vehicle tax household appliance i.e. EV as daily driver and the 25 years old "antique" toy which also are taxed very lightly. And I do like to do some wrenching myself even if I certainly can't claim any master mechanics capabilities. Cam belt change for Busso in situ is currently about as complex as I have gone but life is for learning! https://www.italicar.co.uk/blog/2020/7/12/how-to-change-the-cambelt-on-alfa-romeo-v6-busso-engine

    Based on your feedback I will not limit my search to post -93 units only but include also earlier units.

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    I'd agree with Ferrarium. They're all fun cars and TS or GTS will make very little difference to that.

    There's actually more difference between an early TS and a later TS than there is from a later TS to a GTS so while early cars are fantastic too, a possible compromise might be a later model TS. You'll get the majority of the upgrades (suspension, weight distribution, Motronic, numerous others) without the premium of the GTS.

    At the end of the day whichever you get you can't really go wrong, they're all a blast to drive, own and work on.
     
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    Thanks, Nosevi!

    I thought, I understood 348 evolution on the paper based on studying this forum and other source but obviously I need to study further. Could you please elaborate the running development of 348 or point to a source which would help me to understand the upgrade steps?

    As 348 GTS is almost f355 and late TS is almost GTS we could conclude that actually late 348 TS almost-almost equals f355... ;)
     
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    That might be pushing it a tad :)

    Here's one of many lists but essentially many of the bigger upgrades were made on the production line right at the end of 1991 so mid to late 1992 registered cars will have them and all 1993 registered cars should:

    348 Running Production Changes Data | FerrariChat
     
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    Just a tiny bit... :)

    Thank you for the link and apologies for my clearly less than optimal usage of "Search" function.
     
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    No probs :)
     
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    Web scraping (single source, autoscout24.com, Europe and LHD only) and Excel exercise shows that some market trends can be found even if sample size is small and cars this old are more individual examples than a comparable commodity. Especially given the highish maintenance costs compared to car value.

    -> Spider the most expensive type of car, no surprise here. Later cars and typically with lower mileage
    -> Using first registration 1993 as a split between "early" and "late" there is about 10k€ average and median price difference between groups
    -> 77 "early" and 33 "late" in the market
    -> Number of (G)TS and (G)TB in the market is about the same (45 vs 47), spiders are more rare (18)
    -> Type designation "GTB" wasn't used in any ad and there were 5 only "GTS" but there were several 1993 or later TS and TB listed

    You can find a Excel sheet attached and play with it yourself. I didn't do any statistical pruning like removing outliers etc. Only duplicates and sold units removed from scraped data.
     

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    It seems that high-end 348 market and low-end f355 overlap quite a bit. I know question about 348 vs f355 is a really, really dead horse but I still have to ask your opinion about 1993-1994 348 with 50tkm - 70tkm vs 1995-1996 f355 with 80tkm - 90tkm on the clock?

    Same price point, different mileage and potentially f355 being a bit less "concours condition".

    I have now followed market only very short time so I am not position to say if 348 prices have started to creep up or f355 prices to go lower but I was expecting a bit more difference between those two.
     
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    At the end of the day I still expect 348 prices to edge the 355 for common examples. Others disagree. In the end its all speculation. The cars are not investments, buy what you like it is what it is and you'll enjoy what you have which is the point.
     
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    #13 Finpat, Oct 23, 2021
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    Bid made for a 12/1992 registered low mileage (55 000km) 348 TS with full service record. Let's see how it turns out.
     
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    Missed this one. Sold already.
     
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    Karl- with just 137 GTS examples made buy yourself a limited variant. You’ll be glad you did now and in to the future.
     
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    348 TS, 1990, 98tkm≈61k miles
    3rd party PPI cleared with flying colors

    As a part of the deal, seller, a Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini specialist in Sweden does a fresh major even if last belt change was in 2019 and after that car has rolled some 300km / 200 miles.

    Waiting for a delivery still during month of August.
     
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