TSN/JV's angry take on MS legacy

Michael Schumacher's spokeswoman has refused to comment on accusations by Jacques Villeneuve that the seven time World Champion is bland and a liar.

"We have been aware of the quotes since yesterday," Sabine Kehm reacted on behalf of the 37-year-old Ferrari driver.

She insisted: "We don't even want to make a 'no comment' on this."

In the Aftenposten newspaper, meanwhile, Kehm responded to reports that a Norwegian journalist, Bjorn Benkow, twice faked exclusive interviews with Schumacher earlier this year.


"Michael only speaks with the press at press conferences," she explained, "or on a few agreed occasions."

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Whoa! So there is a guy printing "exclusive interviews" that he totally made up? Jause!

He should be working for the New York Times.

 

In 70 yrs (if these records will not get broken) MS will go down in history as the greatest. Why ? cause most of us will be dead, and the new generation will say....you need one more race to beat MS record.

JV will most likely go down in history as ???? Gilles son that tried to race. Once again in 70 yrs we wont be around. The books will record records, not emotions.

 

You have a point, but I think that isn't the whole story. There will also be books and videos that give the bigger picture on what happened.

If that wasn't the case, why would people still celebrate Stirling Moss. The guy doesn't even have a title to his name, so who cares? But we care, because we know the story. I know it, not because I was there (was around, but playing with legos) but because I read about him in books. Same will be true for guys like JV.

On a somewhat related note: I'm really looking forward to the tangible legacy Michael and Ralf will leave behind once they're both done racing. That museum they're working on in Kempten (?) is going to be one cool place to worship. I heard once that Ralf collects every F1 he ever raced and I'm sure Michael will depart from Ferrari with a few red cars to his name. Imagine a museum with like 20 F1 cars!

 

Because even though he had a hand full of races that can be in question, the reality is he has 7 world champions. The boks will favour him.

Case in point. Remember Maradonna ? His 1st goal (and it was admitted) that he hit it with his fist(instead on head) and went in....it doesnt matter, the second goal he still scored. Will still go down as a great player...and a crack head.

 

No can do! Place is too noisy.

 

????????????

Senna at Monte Carlo in the Toleman car in the wet..... !

 

But it seems to me when the future reads 'legacy', they will see lists, and one name will stand out 7 times (or more), THAT is what will catch an eye.

Just as us, we look at past champions, and the names that jump out are the names that repeat: Fangio, Stewart, Lauda, and based on OUR age, we tend to discount Piquet, Prost and to some extent Senna. We remember their DRIVING, but we tend to forget their championships.

And the one-timers we pretty much don't even think about, such as Jones, Rosberg, Sheckter. We remember Rindt because it was posthumous, and we remember Andretti because he was 'american', and we may remember James Hunt because he was a 'party boy', but we don't remember his driving. I even forgot who the 1992 WDC was, I had to go look it up.

IMO Villenueve, Damon Hill, even Hakkinnen will be remembered (or forgotten) just like all the other one-timers. That doesn't mean they were not great, it just means we don't hold them in as high a stead as others.

 

Agreed in principle, because I know nothing about F1 in the fifties and only look at the statistics with Fangio of course sticking out (having said, I have read a few books but quite frankly the interest wasn't there).

However I have to say, that once we're talking about drivers of an era where I actively followed the sport, I remember every one of them. Not just the multiple champions, also the single title holders and the "loosers". And I don't think that will ever change. Alan Jones is still one of my biggest heroes and his picture hangs prominently on my wall. Just above the Andretti JPS car, which sits next to a MS helmet. Past years make no difference to me.

 

LMAO!!!!!

To his credit JV won a WC but sadly made bad choices afterwards, as do many drivers. Ask Jean Alesi about that...

JV's comments are assinine...Please exit the building quietly......

Enzo was a hardass but being a hardass is what got him to the top.

GV's picture was on Enzo's desk. "Nuf said....

 

Just to clarify:

I am not saying the single-time champs are worthless - you have to say all of them were deserving or they never would have been in a position to win (a
Championship), I'm saying multiple champs are the guys we put our fingers on and say 'whoa !'.

And it transcends to nascar (Petty, Yarbrough, Allison, Earnhardt), to Indy cars (Foyt, Unsers, Mears), to sprint cars (Kinsers).

Nobody can say Rusty Wallace, Alan Kulwicki or Bobby Isaac sucked, just as nobody can say Jimmy Vasser, Danny Sullivan or JP Montoya sucked in Indy cars, personal opinions aside.
(But....... I do have to stomach the fact that Paul Tracy is an Indy Car championship winner......)

 

It is not WHAT you win that's important, but HOW you win it.

 

Said in the vain of a Fangio, Clark, and Stewart. Back than if a driver tried to take out another driver, he would probably get himself badly injured or killed. The cars now are so safe that some of these guys pull some really stupid stunts.

 

Like JV.

 

No one could be a champion today in F1 if you're not tough. All this romantic view of the likes of Hill, Fangio etc, ended with Senna. Everything they accuse Michael of doing was pretty much started by Senna playing dirty when he had to, watch the races. But because he died people like to forget things like that. When Michael was racing Senna he new he'd have to be as tough as him to win. I remember when Barrichello pulled over to let Michael win how everyone complained, yet the great Fangio was given his teamates car to finish the race and score for the championship! JV is bitter that he won't be remembered as his father was, respected and loved.

 

....who's JV ?????????????????????????????????????

I barely remember that no talent Senna

Schumacher holds all the records, Senna doesn't exist and there's some nobody called , JV ????, is this Jules Verne ???? must be, speaking the same BS

*this is all a dig , bar the first line )

 

A ONE TIME champion, and that was because he was seated in the best car at the time. Michael is a what........ SEVEN time world champion,....... getting those wins with TWO different teams. Look at how well Rubens did when he was driving for Ferrari. Now look at how good his replacement, Massa, is doing. How about the old Eddie hmmmmmmm, how well has he done since he left Ferrari? Jack squat that's how well. Even when those guys are in the "same" car as Michael they still can't, and couldn't beat him. It is because of Schumy, and the guys that he brought with him, that Ferrari FINALLY got it's place back on top as the winningest team in F1, previously held by McLaren. It was the car that got Jacques his win, more than it was his tallent. Sorry but it is nothing more than sour grapes, and to date Jacques is still a has been, and Michael is still the greatest F1 driver of all time.

 

But let's ask the question:

Is ANY 'Jr.' or son of a driver getting the respect their fathers had/earned ?

There are a lot of Jrs., my guess is a resounding NO.

Earnhardt Jr.
Petty
Jarrett
Allison
Unser Jr.
Michael Andretti
Foyt
JV
Hill

And until Rosberg does something, he won't either, and it's not any of their fault, they just get held to a higher standard than others BECAUSE of their pedigree.

 

I agree with what other members have said. If Schumacher had been tragically killed after the 2004 season he would be absolutely immortalised. He would never again say the wrong thing, make a wrong move on the track, etc. All of his negative flaws would be smoothed over by history and regarded as part of his character and lore.

James Dean would have eventually made a bad movie or Hendrix may have become repetitive. But we'll never know. Michael Schumacher has had a long career for a modern F1 driver. He has lived through wins, losses, accidents, mistakes and controversey. As such, he has given spectators much to comment on, both good and bad. 40 years from now he will be able to sit down and reflect on a long and interesting career.

What will JV be able to reflect on? One F1 Championship and many poor seasons. In regards to sports, he will have given history very little to comment on.

- Chris

 

i gotta agree with the prev post. sometimes, i do wonder if senna had lived, wth all due respect, will he be ' worshipped ' as how he is today? i know senna was a great driver. but he did make mistakes, and he did make some dirty moves on the track. yea, if michael had died on the track anytime soon, or even in 2003,2004, whatsoever, whatever things or dirty things he did will be forgotten.

sometimes, people tend to remember others for bad things, not for the good things they did. i mean, aside from 94, where MS won the WC in certain circumstances, he never cheated or anything in the remaining WC wins he had. yes, he did try some stunt on JV in 97, and he did get punished. why didn't senna get punished as well? it was so clear....

 

I agree with both of you.

We remember who we want to, who we grew up watching, and the multi-champs, we pretty much forget the 'one-time' champions - in ANY sport.

Who was the last single-time champ of the Tour DeFrance ?
The last winner of the Masters or the British Open (before Tiger Woods).
After the IRL-CART split, who won the first all-IRL Indy 500 ?
Funny Car prior to John Force taking over ?

I could go on and on.

Right or wrong, it's just human nature.

 

Hell no!

Call me a freak of nature then, but I don't forget them. At all.

 

You are the exception to the rule, not a freak of nature. MOST people don't remember them.

On a side note, Nelson Piquet is a 3-time champion, but we almost never bring him up in conversation, in fact he is probably the LEAST brought up name of all the multi-WDC's, even less than Hakkinnen. Hmmmmm.

 

I'm getting the feeling most folks on here are rather young and haven't followed F1 for decades. Piquet's titles go back to the eighties, that might be one reason. Also he didn't drive for Ferrari (like Alain) or against Ferrari (like Mika).

This all might change once his son joins F1. Can't wait.

 

How could they? They are contractually #2 drivers.