Hello, Im pretty hesitant from my m5 e60 tuning and a piston chipped and engine rebuild twice to the tune of $70k aud hence my hesitation to a tune for f430 but i want to replace the exhaust due to header issues and heat shields vibrating, i want to fit aftermarket headers and exhaust without cat in headers 2008 model f430 is the removal of cats in headers to stop cel simply a matter of telling temp sensors a new range? I dont want a tune that modifies things that can compromise my engine any advice? Thanks
Trev did the tune on my 360 and it was awesome. I now have an F430 with a tune from Mase Engineering and am very happy with it as well. https://maseflash.com/
Simple install of new Tubi headers will not trigger a CEL. Especially 2008 with no temperature probes but just simple oxygen sensors and the cap on the other two holes in the new header. You would not need extenders with Tubi headers. Any other mods are a different story.
All headers without pre cats can get the CEL. Above all, it depends on how effectively the main catalytic converters are still working. However, the fault can be programmed out.
I did the headers on my late 2007. The CEL light came on. I found big daddies garage who made 90 degree bends on the rear 02 sensors. $28 each, and they bolt right in. Took out my sensors, put the 90s in, then bolted the sensors back in. No CEL since. I also changed the rear section for the Ferrari Tubi sport pipes. The car now sounds amazing all the time. I am looking into a remote bypass so i can keep the exhaust open when I want noise. The factory valve system still works.
I have OEM challenge headers without precats on my 2009 and do not have a tune. I also do not have o2 extenders or mini-cats. No CEL light.
Mase and 360Trev seems to be both highly recommended here. I'm leaning towards mase since he actually owns a 430, he's local to me and owns his own dyno. Not to mention he's 1/2 the price last time i checked. Im just dragging my feet i guess On the O2 mini cats options, I do NOT recommend big daddies. The internals on mine completely disintegrated after only 10 miles. I contacted him very professionally and he essentially gave me the rudest 'fu' reply. It was so bad, i literally though he was either drunk or joking around, but the next day i got an even more rude response. Don't buy his stuff
Hello guys, I hope your enjoying your F430's, I don't often post now as much as I would like to due to time constraints but i would like to make people aware of some information which they may find useful in deciding what solution to use. Firstly is that I have developed over many years now bespoke software to allow me to reverse engineer the entire F430 software stack which is done for every single firmware version and for every car. That's millions of lines of code in every car software version which would be impossible to do for every release using manual reverse engineering techniques (it would take about 5 man years per version to do manually to give you some idea and that's for someone who is an expert in that technology) so this makes a huge difference to end results. This means I have developed capabilities which greatly exceeds majority of 3rd parties on the entire breadth of the F430 software and understand it far more than even many engineers at Bosch who just understand small sections of it. Id go as far as to say I don't believe anyone else has as much intel on the F430 software I have amassed, except ofcourse Bosch. Not even Ferrari understands half of this stuff as it's hidden away from them in a black box. There are many more software versions than people ever imagine and you cannot use the wrong software without some negative consequences and this is one of the biggest issues I see (often). It also means cross flashing of the wrong software for your car just doesn't happen with my proven solution. This point cannot be emphasized more because even though in many cases it will appear to work ok you could easily break things if your putting the wrong software on your car, such as e-diff failure or it may just failing to start entirely. Software is getting more and more complicated and often now it's matched with other ECUs in the car so interoperability issues can occur if you use the wrong software. The solution I've refined means your cars firmware is used or used as an input to guarantee compatibility. I've had to help fix quite a few Ferrari owners car who's had this happen to them and then the people reflashing their car just ghosted them because they didn't back up their original software beforehand. Thankfully I have amassed a huge database of all of the different firmware versions now and instrumented them all so it's easy for me to recover cars with a broken ECU, failed immobilizer or other problems of similar ilk. Usually when everyone else has given up and the car is almost classed as a lemon they come to me and I help resolve everything. I'm certainly not saying anyone mentioned in this thread is doing these bad practices but just to watch out for them as I wouldn't want it to be you with a broken car. I'm just saying anyone contemplating getting their Ferrari tuned absolutely needs to verify your getting your software from your exact assembly number and vin on your car and not some random one for a different chassis/engine pairing. Also insist they back up all your original data before overwriting it. That's often where all the trouble starts, people taking short cuts. The vast majority of people don't have the capability to work on your exact software version, they just tune the one version they have done previously and cut and paste it to other cars, which works if you get lucky and happen to have the exact same assembly number range as theirs. It's not ideal. I do unique software for every car. Yes really! Furthermore having worked now with factory calibrators, some ex-Ferrari and even ran months worth of calibration work on some models using manufacturer plates I can tell you that there is nobody doing more in terms of longer term testing, hot and warm starts, cold weather, usability, emissions, performance. Basically OEM approach to testing our work. I just like to do things right. I even have factory approved dealerships now who come to me for help on tricky issues of software and immobilizers. Another unique element of how I approached this to is to implement specific custom code to allow much more refined calibration of the F1 system to the engine management torque, so much so that we can improve both shift speed and shift quality from the engine Ecu side of things without any negative consequences. Speed up the target torque to improve gear shifting quality and speed so much that there is a noticeable improvement in shift, even on the 430 Scuderia with it's Superfast II, it's improved. I also implemented instant torque which when combined with sports cats and catless headers yields more performance and better drivability than a stock 430 Scuderia on your F430. That's over 550hp and we continue to refine this all the time. I don't stop doing continuous improvements to all my Ferrari work as there is always something to be improved on a multi million lines of code software solution, again actual code improvements over just changing calibration data. This result in significant benefits to drivability over just changing table data alone. This is a huge amount of work spanning many years so just because I never owned a particular model means nothing, its certainly not the case that it's inferior as a result. I'm working on La Ferrari's now and don't own them (I wish! ) to allow them to run 'sans' hybrid system for example. The work I've done on the Ferrari platform should help to continue to keep our cars running for many more generations to come which makes me very happy indeed. Forza Ferrari!!!
As someone currently deciding between trev and mase, I'd love to hear more of your experience. I realize they are on two different cars so it's hard to compare but any extra info helps, thanks.
I'm strongly considering a tune as well, but would prefer going with @360trev. Any idea of the speed in which the F1 shifts increase? I've driven the 08/09 versions and really can't tell a difference with my '06. Driving a Scud is a clearly quicker and obviously different system. One can't expect Scud shift speeds from a tune, but I'd like to go from what I have now to "wow that's a lot quicker shifting". Is that a realistic expectation? Lol maybe an Fchat group buy too
I cannot compare it to a specific vendor but above and beyond the regular calibration for performance driving I will state these distinctive advantages ; Our own developed software tooling, all done in house for reliability. In fact all our software is in house developed for best possible results. Always ability to recover even if power fails during update or any other failures. Bespoke firmware specific for your car based on your original firmware, not cross flashed for best possible reliability Fastest possible F1 shift speeds with better integration than factory achieved. Heel and toe mode active for gated cars Fastest possible torque reaction, not related to pedal calibration but how fast it reaches target. Transforms how the car handles power, steering on throttle becomes a thing Higher resolution maps than stock where deemed necessary Continuously developed product, with many tweaks to make drivability in all conditions and at all speeds improved, not just chasing peak Dyno figures Optimization to specific components you have fitted to your car, e.g intake, exhaust or sports cats Custom calibration of exhaust valves to your own preferences per driving mode Immobilizer deletion possible Reliability fixes Upgrades from superseeded software revisions compatible with your vehicle No mass deletions of fault codes, some software out there breaks fault codes Fully functional knock sensing, unlike some solutions its never deactivated or lower it's sensitivity from stock Upgrade to air flow meters, throttle bodies and larger flowing intakes possible on many models Full backup for life and immobilizer recovery possible onto cloned ECUs Over the internet upgrade and many more features Coming in an update a phone app with virtual manettino to allow personal settings for tailored driving modes.
Hey Trev, Can you update us on the app? Do you have an ETA? I know you also mentioned a programming tool a while ago. Any progress on that? Thanks!
I'm working on trying to bring Superfast II upgrade to both the 360 and F430 market but this will likely be a similar cost to gated conversion due to upgrades required to the internals of the gearbox as well as TCU software, engine software and even the selector forks. The speed of shifts is improved in terms of getting to target torque points as fast as possible, this makes the overall shift faster on both up and down shifts as getting to the point where the shift can occur becomes faster and then matching the torque required in the next gear is matched quicker. All resulting in better shift quality. I don't change the Speed of the shifting itself from the engine side but getting to and from which makes a considerable difference to overall shifting.
I have a few more things I need to finish off before I can do this so it's a bit fluid right now but pretty excited as the prototype works really well. It's even possible to retrofit a manettino to a 360
That's awesome Trev, regarding the Superfast upgrade, and it's great to be able to chat with you here! I will get in line once the conversion is available. I can happily wait out a tune until the F1S is upgrade is ready.
Thanks so much for this reply and your previous one full of info about your tunes. Regarding the improved shifting, I assume this is optional? I'm possibly one of the (likely rare) people that wouldn't actually want to make it shift smoother. I think part of the fun with the Scuderia is the way it kicks you in the back when it shifts. I'm assuming that improvements to make it shift smoother/faster would reduce that kick. If I were to purchase your tune, could I test with and without the improved shifting to see which one I enjoy the feel of more? Thanks again.
Being two different cars with different exhaust systems and transmissions (6-speed manual and F1) there’s really no way I could make a fair comparison. I can simply say I am very happy with both.
