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  1. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm not optimistic because that's an actual budget number :)

    included some testing. don't recall what their crash damage expense was that season.

    Conti is going to price itself out of a market.
     
  2. GuyIncognito

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    from the article:

    so it looks like my $5mm was not only realistic, but a bit high! :)

    anyway I though OAK was originally only confirmed for IMSA during the NAEC races and decided to stick it out; I didn't expect them to do a full season, and don't expect to see them after LeMans other than Watkins Glen and Petit.

    P2 is actually a good example of how cost contained, pro/am, manufacturer development unfriendly classes are a bad idea...as evidenced by that article, the only way to get them funded now is for gentlemen drivers to step up to the plate, with millions of dollars! now tell me how that makes more economic sense than a full pro team with sponsorship or even better, a factory effort.
     
  3. rdefabri

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    I agree.

    This reminds me so much of the IRL / Champ Car split, and how Tony George buddied up with NASCAR. NASCAR couldn't care less about open wheel, and I felt George was knowingly mislead to destroy the series.

    Reminiscing back to 1993 - CART was on top of the world. Mansell was in the series, Senna tested a Penske car, and the series was rocking in ratings and participation.

    This sucks.
     
  4. GuyIncognito

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    Senna tested an IndyCar to tell Ecclestone and the FIA that they needed him more than he needed F1.

    a few years prior, Ferrari built a damn Indycar as a threat to F1!!!

    think about that! nobody in their right mind now would build an Indycar as a threat to F1!

    and I don't think IMSA/TUSC is a threat to anyone in the WEC, at least on the manufacturer side. NASCAR is happy with a road racing version of Ford vs Chevy it seems.
     
  5. BartonWorkman

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    Just think though, in the GTE ranks, what would happen if Corvette and BMW pulled out in favor of WEC?

    As a friend noted over the weekend, no full time Corvette or BMW in WEC, seems a bit
    odd. But, if they pulled out of TUSC, it may be seen as the beginning of the end of
    the series.

    All we may hope is that the race at Le Mans this year is better than last year. Shouldn't
    be a hard trick to do unless it rains again and they've not upgraded their safety outdated
    safety standards at La Sarthe.

    The most important race in the world cannot withstand another debacle.

    BHW
     
  6. GuyIncognito

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    it actually makes a bit of sense, in Europe BMW has a huge presence in DTM and other touring car series; and Corvette doesn't really sell cars outside North America, at least not to the point where they need to "race on Sunday to sell on Monday". so neither really has a commercial imperative to be in WEC. both have a commercial imperative to be in IMSA in the US, their largest market.

    agree, I hope this year's LeMans isn't as tragic as last year's.
     
  7. ProCoach

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    Hahaha! I remember that. Pretty car...
     
  8. GuyIncognito

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    It is a shame Indy cars don't still look like that!
     
  11. tervuren

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    Unfortunately - teams found ways to be faster than is safe for the tracks.

    I agree though - I love the 80's/early 90's indies. The under body aero allowed for super-smooth simple clean wings.
     
  12. rdefabri

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    For me, that was the pinnacle - the cars looked outstanding.
     
  13. GuyIncognito

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    +1

    open wheel cars were gorgeous in late 80s/early 90s, both Indy and F1.
     
  14. Heat Seeker WS6

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    ....and now Pickett closes their doors.
     
  15. GuyIncognito

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    can't tell you how bummed I am about this. it's like Penske leaving indycar or Ferrari leaving F1.

    no Pickett, no Dyson, no bueno.
     
  16. Heat Seeker WS6

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    alms memories... I was gong through vids on youtube and accidently found myself in this one during that fateful weekend at Baltimore '12 when the initial rumors of 'something bad is about to happen'. In the white shirt after finishing up for the day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR2pBFRSh44
     
  17. GuyIncognito

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    nice socks :p

    I was really hoping that this merger would work but increasingly...it's not. which is a low down dirty shame.
     
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    Thanks! ... that little extra to keep ankle hairs from getting burnt off while next to those bimmers :) !
     
  19. BartonWorkman

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    It is a shame that things are turning out the way they are. Plenty of blame to go
    around on both sides.

    While its easy to bash GrandAm (and let's face it, they gave us so much ammunition)
    ALMS, while good, wasn't perfect. Far from it.

    The number one thing that would have bolstered ALMS's position would have been if
    they'd had a title sponsor from the beginning rather than Panoz funding the whole
    thing out of pocket.

    I am aware of at least three instances where potential title sponsors were set to meet with
    the ALMS people but were rudely turned away or ignored all together.

    European colleagues would come over and be shocked to see that Panoz was funding the
    whole thing, and thus exercising control of the situation and surrounding himself with people
    who knew nothing about racing.

    Only at the end did the Panoz group bring in more professional PR people with intimate
    knowledge of sports car racing and subsequently Patron as a title sponsor. Had they done
    this from 1999, things would like have been different.

    BHW
     

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