The question I have appears to simple. Has anyone fit a 458 twin/dual clutch into a 360 or 430? I hear endless props for the 458 clutch being idiot and bullet proof by comparison to a 360?430. I converted my 1970 TA single disc to a twin disc, why not Ferrari? I have made adapter plates to install a world class T5 behind a original 1932 Ford model B four banger. What is or why is this upgrade not out there? It could possibly help reduce the scary clutch wear apparently with the 360/430. I will be looking for the perfect 360/430 this summer. Wanting a 6 speed only because of an unjustified concern about the F1 and clutch wear. The 6 speed to me is not a driving want, it was a maintenance/failure concern regarding F1. So leap of faith I want an F1. Back to the clutch. There is offered out there a Kevlar upgrade for 512TR's, Mine is apart still and I looked at clearances and there's alot of room. I have my old pressure plate and disc and compared it to my new clutch in the TA. With miner mods it will fit. Twin racing clutch good for 12000 rpms, and 1000 hp with a softer pedal feel than my toyota truck all for $650.00. Why not Ferrari ??????
You'd need to fit the whole gearbox and controls, I'm sure someone with some engineering ingenuity could do it but i'm also sure it would be very expensive and most probably not worth the cost. John.
Quite a few misperceptions here. First, you already have a twin disc dry clutch and a separate 6 speed transaxle. Second, a dual clutch transmission is completely different from your F430's dry plate clutch and transmission combination. It includes two wet clutches in oil baths integrated with a 7 speed transmission. One clutch provides drive while the other pre-selects the next gear to be used in accordance with its programming and what it sees the driver requesting. There are several manufacturers that offer different types of clutch plate material for dry plate Ferrari clutches, including some using Kevlar. Some work, some do not, so do some reading here on specifics. A little research on DCTs will also show you how those work in contrast to conventional dry plate clutches. It would be a major engineering undertaking to adapt a DCT to a Ferrari not originally fitted with one.
Great information. This would probably require a bespoke DCT casing in order to mount it or perhaps it could be addressed with custom fabricated adapters but I'd be surprised. Then there's the software integration of all the hardware between the DCT and Engine as well as Chassis. I'd have to imagine it's next to impossible for any remotely reasonable amount of money. Heck...do we even know if 458 and 430 share the same information architecture/language/type of system?
No, they do not. 360s are Motronic 7.3, F430s are Motronic 7.1.1 and I am not sure what the 458s use. Late 612s and 599s use Motronic 7.3.2, but the systems in the California, 458, F12, and FF have to control direct injection, so sure it is different.
Some genius could always do it given enough time and money. At that point cheaper to buy a 458. Big question would be can you make an F430 Motronic DME run a DCT TCU or a 458 DME run an F430's simpler ignition/injection system? Neither is easy.
Thank you everyone. My response as follows, lol. WELL CRAPOLA !!!!! I'll just hope for the best......
Dual clutch transmission is different than twin disc or multiplate clutch as tazandjan mentioned. However, dual clutch transmission also have several version the two major difference are wet type which are more common and dry type like the one on Alfa 4c.
While I understand your want and possible need for such an upgrade, IMO, you would end up spending more money on the harware than the project would be worth to you in the end. Not to mention the time involved and labor costs. ADD in the comments from Taz and others above. It is a completely different animal and more than just swapping clutch packs. Take the money you'd spend on the update and upgrade to a Cali or 458... ;-) S p.s. I have DCT transmission "stuff" if you change your mind and want to try.
