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Tyre changes could return to F1 next season

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  1. F1racer

    F1racer F1 Rookie

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    Bridgestone team members:
    Patrick Head from Williams and Ross Brawn from Ferrari have proposed that tyre changes will be allowed next season as a part of the new qualifying regulations.
     
  2. racerx3317

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    They should scrap the whole one tire rule altogether.
     
  3. Prova85

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    For or after qualy or during races too ?
     
  4. BigAl

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    AMEN!!! I thought the whole thing ridiculous.
     
  5. tifosi12

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    Many different models are currently being discussed. The tire changes would be during practice. Qualifying would be on racing tires but refuelling would be allowed.

    At any rate it is hard to predict what will be chosen, but it is pretty certain that the whole thing will change. And most likely for the better.
     
  6. racerx3317

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    I wouldn't trust Bernie and company to sit on the toilet seat the right way much less fix anything. It seems to me that everything they try to fix get more focked up than it was before. This whole knockout deal Bernie is touting for qualifying sounds too damned complex. Just open the track and let them go, that's what they should do.
     
  7. tifosi12

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    It doesn't work that way as we have seen in the past: They all sit in their cars for 55 minutes and then go out in the last minute.

    That's what Bernie tries to avoid and I agree with him.
     
  8. racerx3317

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    Still, making the system more complex isn't the answer. Maybe shorter sessions and 5 mandatory laps for each car, the penalty being they won't be allowed to run in the next session. Just a thought.
     
  9. tifosi12

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    Fine with that. Bottom line is they must be forced to do laps over the entire hour.
     
  10. Senna1994

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    Ah how much better qualifying used to be when they were all on the track together on low fuel and qualifying tires. To hell with the one tire rule it is a load of crap.
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Not being able to refuel and change tires is dumb. Agreed.

    But am I the only one remembering how qualifying really was? IT SUCKED!

    10:00 nobody on the track, TV throws in a bunch of commercial
    10:20 two Minardis go out
    10:30 nobody on the track, TV commentators try to fill air time
    10:45 everybody gets ready in the pits
    10:50 the midfielders come out to play
    10:55 everybody is on the track and get each other in the way
    11:00 session is over

    Post qualifying interviews: Everybody complains about "traffic".
     
  12. Senna1994

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    Andreas,

    How about if they did it the way they used to with each car going out for a scheduled 12 laps minimum with Qualifying Tires and Low Fuel?
     
  13. tifosi12

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    Sold.
     
  14. F1racer

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    amen.
     
  15. robert biscan

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    The one tyre rule is going to get someone killed. Lucky Kimi had the wheel chained to the frame or it would of been him. Not to mention he lost the race. It is total crap from the beginning.
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    Alelluia!
     
  17. parkerfe

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    FYI, without Bernie there would be no F1 today.
     
  18. tifosi12

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    Interesting statement. Not sure about that though.

    Certainly F1 would not be what it is today (for better or worse). Whether it would have survived without his input and direction towards commercialization is another question. Given the checkered past of other racing series (CART, Can AM, F2) you might be right, but it would probably hard to find a definitive answer. After all the FIA might have looked after it as well.
     
  19. racerx3317

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    Sure there would, Andreas hit the nail on the head. Heck it might even be.....dare i say it? Better than it is right now??
     
  20. SPEEDCORE

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    And without Enzo Ferrari there wouldnt be Ferrari today, what is your point?

    Ferrari has survived without Mr Enzo, I tihnk F1 can survive without Bernie. Not only can it survive it will prosper and be even better.
     
  21. jaturon

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    That's the excitement of F1, unpredicatble, cat/mouse QF, timing etc. Today, QF is very scheduled non excitement.
    Let's bring back the old regulation.
     
  22. azbobbybooshay10

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    Amen!

    I agree, make them complete x number of laps per session. Or something like a 5 minute between each run rule. You can sit in the pits for a MAX of 5 minutes between each run. But I agree, just a simple "1 hour session" would result in 55 minutes of boredom, then 5 minutes of insanity.
     
  23. DGS

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    How's this: Two hour open qualifying, but retain the qualifying order we have today: Last place in the last race has to hit the track within the first five minutes. Next has to be on track five minutes after that, etc. But anybody can go out early, and can stay on track the whole time.

    First cars out have a dirty track, but can continue to lap. Last cars out have traffic.

    Spice it up? If you won the previous race, you aren't required to go out until T+100 minutes -- 20 to go.
    But if second place goes out after 10 min, does first have to go out by T+15?

    Or reverse the order -- previous winner has to go out on the green track first, and can then improve his time in later runs.
    Discuss.

    Tire changes: Well, Duh. My street tires wouldn't stand up to a whole weekend of track use.
    This year's tire rules were stupid and dangerous. I think the lesson over the year is that Michelins managed speed by making tires way too thin. The teams pushing them the hardest often found that there wasn't anything to spare. The overstressed Bstones came back bald. Overstressed Michelins came back on a wrecker.
     
  24. tifosi12

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    Not to take the discussion to far off topic, but this is an interesting point: I always thought F1 without Bernie is doomed and to some degree I still believe this. However in Indy 05 I came to realize that F1 is already WITHOUT Bernie. It doesn't matter anymore what this senile fool thinks or does. The powerbroker Bernie has left the scene a long time ago, Bernie just hasn't realized it. Maybe he should watch the movie "The 6th sense"...
     
  25. azbobbybooshay10

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    Forget my idea, I like this one better! I think the "reverse order" of the last race would make it interesting. Winner gets the dirty track, and the slower guys get it cleaned for them.

    But alas, we all know how Bernie and Mad Max treat good ideas. They ignore them.
     

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