Tyre warmer ban in 09 good or bad idea

I really respect Coulthard and appreciate his perspective but, it hasn't seemed to affect the CART guys over the years or F1 before they were around. To me it's another driver aid. If a guy is good on cold tires, JPM for example, then that's a benefit for them. I'm sure we'll see some drivers do some stupid things and some loose a lot of time (Massa maybe ) on the cold tires but, that's racing. It certainly would change things up quite a bit.

 

I think it won't be a big security issue. After all, we're speaking about the best drivers of the world here, they should be able to cope with cold tyres. Maybe the timing is not the best as the ban of TC already has a huge impact on traction. Whereas one could argue that a bite more or less traction doesn't matter anyway, then...

 

I don't like tyre warmer ban.

It all boils down to endangering drivers for no good reason.
Will leaving tyres in the sun be a violation ?

If they want entertainment - demand "green" energy like solar power for the tire blankets. That will give worldwide exposure to some new brands.

 

I would like to see F1 in the fore front of innovation in all aspects of design and performance. All these bans and limits are bad for the sport. I think it leaves the door open for a race program where advancements are welcomed.

I don't know why car manufacturers would want to be a part of it.

 

It's always a bad idea to send a slow car (cold tires) out on the track with fast cars (hot tires). Anything you can do to minimize speed differences WILL prevent accidents.

 

...screw the tire warmers and bring human competition back to F1... whoever is scared about safety, should know that a cold tire gets warmed in 4 laps max...and after safety cars there are no tirewarmers!...that will make competition thougher and bring a new variable that will make great thrills and really showcase the skilled...

...tire warmers, traction control, huge front wings, and grooved tires were the doom of the 90´s, battle wise.

 

TC and now tire warmers. With the various tricks/techniques the teams use it'll be interesting to see what the true impact of these moves are? One dead driver and these changes to make the sport more interesting and profitable, will be a terrible miscalculation.

 

That is acutally a good point. Haven't thought about a 'mixed' field of cars...

 

Yes - but the whole field is in the same boat behind safety car. Now what will happend if Super Aguri will try to overtake Ferrari that is running slower than usual on cold tires ?

 

...so be it!!!

...drivers learn to judge that and the more skilled usually smack the hell out of those who dont when they can even when backamrkers or midfielders...and I think in my humble opinion F1 could use a bit more of action in the raceweekend different from a few not-even-close passes when cars come out of pitlane and into the track...

 

Sounds ok to me. Anyone have hard data on how long it takes the tires to properly warm up without the warmers? Not to be callous, but what's the difference with different cars going different speeds when it's strictly a tire issue, when you already have the front runners lapping the backmarkers left and right? It'll just be one more thing to seperate the men from the boys IMO.

 

Well, then it'd probably look somthing like Sato overtaking Alonso at Canada this year. It's called racing by the way not follow the leader.

 

Discussing this subject on another forum I think it is more of a safety factor than anything else, remember Gerhard Berger's imfamous spin leaving the pit's on cold tire's in the V12 Ferrari?

 

So, why then were CART drivers who used to race at Indy, who'd go out on cold tires to into a 250+mph stream of cars, never had any real issues with it. They've also been able to do without tire warmers on road courses and street circuits. They can handle the "risk" but an F1 driver can't? Racing is inherently dangerous. I don’t think the elimination of tire warmers raises that risk as great as you think.

 

Yes, and if he'd had traction control he wouldn't have spun. You race KARTS, do YOU need tire warmers before you go out for qualifying or before you start a race?


I didn't think so. It's amazing you're still alive.

 

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I'm FOR the ban for all the reasons others have cited.

If elimination of risk is paramount, get rid of the drivers, clearly it can be done....great show?...not. Life is full of risks, and no racer has ever been forced to become one.

I want to see drivers hang their ass out......why is Gilles so revered? Part of it was because he got in the car and flogged that *****! No whining, no compromises.

Any non-artificial way to let the superior driver show that he is superior should be endorsed. It's called racecraft.(ChampCars 'Power to Pass' is an example of an artificial and silly tool that shows me little of what a driver is made of)

Adage that comes to mind.....Everybody wants to race, no one wants to go fast.

 

NSS but they wont have TC next year !

No we did not need tire warmer's because we did not have 750-800+hp!

That's because I've got skill.

Just so I dont have to endure or listen to another barrage of immature remark's from you 'senna21', I have not forgotten you last one's, I never said I wanted the FIA to re-instate tire warmer's I only speculated at what MIGHT be one of reason's for them coming back and offered a past incident to use as a reference.

 

My point exactly, I.E. if they did this wouldn't be an issue. So if anyone's arguing about getting rid of tire warmers because of safety then they certainly shouldn't be getting rid of TC as that keeps divers safe, if not safer, than tire warmers

But you have more than enough (given the power to weight ratio of a 125cc shifter kart) to spin out from excessive wheel spin on cold tires.

And F1 drivers don't?

I don't think my remarks are immature in the least. I think they get right to the point of discussion of this thread which is whether or not the elimination of tire warmers is good or bad or effects safety to a degree that they should be kept. I never mean to offend and only used the personal information that you've provided (that you've raced karts) here on FerrariChat to help prove my point and appeal to the racer in you and others.

 

Very well put 'senna21' I appreciate the clarification it was just hard to see with the 'wording' of your last post. I apologize for the 'immature' comment and for coming off in a negative manner.
Gregg