UFC and MMA Thread

I think even if Rousey stands with her, Correia is in trouble. The little I've seen of Correia, I've come to a similar conclusion - she swings for the fences. While her stand up is better than many, it's still a little wild, and I'd say Rousey is certainly on par.

If Rousey gets dinged, she's definitely going to take her down. Goes to the ground, forget it - lights out.

Now factor in that Rousey is pissed - she usually is. It works for her...only one fight she didn't really crush someone and that was Tate / Rousey II. Even then, Rousey submitted Tate, but I felt going into that fight, Rousey wasn't so angry (if memory serves, she even said Tate had a "nice butt"...hardly fighting words).

I've seen Rousey's judo / newaza...all I can say is WOW. Like Armen I've trained jiu-jitsu, so I have some reference...Rousey is all that...I can't see anyone giving her much of a challenge. Of course, I could be wrong - even Jon Jones was challenged by Gustafsson (which I did not see happening, but I was wrong)...we'll see.

If Rousey destroys Correia, UFC has a problem. No one wants a 3rd Tate fight...all that's left is Cyborg (who I think is overrated and was stripped of a title after testing positive for steroids).

 

Cyborg is NOT over rated. I train side by side with her, in boxing. She is REAL! I really think she will DESTROY Rhonda.

 

Rhonda punched the **** out of her.................literally.

 

I'm sure she's skilled and tough, I just don't think she's in the same class as Rousey. Outside of Baszler and Coenen, she hasn't fought anyone of note.

Watching the highlight of Rousey / Correia, man, Rousey's an animal.

We'll never know, because I'm doubtful the fight will happen. Lots of talk of cutting weight, catch weight, whatever...I'll believe it when I see it. I still think Rousey waxes Cyborg.

 

It's a little scary to see how far Rousey has come in the standup game. I feel that she is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world at the moment.

There's only one way to answer the Cyborg/Rousey equation, and that is for them to finally square off against each other.

 

I think Rhonda's stand up needs ALOT of work. Watching those 34 seconds, She is VERY sloppy with hand position and being wide open. A good boxer like Cyborg will capitalize on that within seconds. It's hard to be a great boxer within a few years, remember that. Cyborg even fought a Vicious Muay Thai fighter named Jorina Baars (30-0-3) a few years back.
Got beat pretty good but is tough as nails.
Cris 'Cyborg' Justino Defeated by Jorina Baars in Kickboxing at Lion Fight 14 | Bleacher Report
Besides Rhonda keeps having excuse after excuse why she is not fighting Cyborg. This whole drug thing was years ago. AND, most champs go up in weight to test there skills. Rhonda use to fight at 145 before she joined the UFC. What, all of a sudden she won't fight at 145 ???? But she did challenge Gina Corrano at 145 and said she'd fight Lalia Ali in a boxing match even though she is heavier (and retired) for many years???? Hmmmm, someone is ducking Cyborg!

 

I agree that it seems that way, but there is no 145 pound champ in UFC. I actually think both parties could do a catch weight, but DANA WHITE KIBOSHED IT!!!

So who is ducking whom? Maybe neither is - as someone that's cut weight, I know it's hard, you get tired and you aren't at full strength. On this, I side with Cyborg - 10 pounds when you are already cutting is a lot.

Now, could Rousey go to 140? Sure - a lot easier than Cyborg to 135. Again, Dana was clear this isn't going to happen at a catch weight.

Rousey's stand up isn't great, but my point about being an animal wasn't so much technique, more determination. Some people "have it" - I used to roll with an Israeli soldier that couldn't have been more than 140 soaking wet. I was a blue belt, he was a white, and at that point, I didn't lose to many white belts (maybe an occasional wrestler, but for the most part - no). This guy dominated me. He rolled with my professor (a 3rd deg. black belt) and hung with him. My professor used a similar term - that guy is an animal. Had no feeling of pain whatsoever (until I broke his foot - long story, unintentional, but he felt that).

If 2 people want to fight, you know as well as I, it will happen. I get the impression that neither party really cares much at all, and the UFC is happy to leave it where it is. Shame too, because in another year or two, it Rousey / Cyborg will be no better than Rua / Little Nog - two fighters past their prime. Sad.

 

Good points.,but Cyborg is just as much an animal as Rousey is. And is Dying to fight. It may be a case where Dana is protecting his fighter...

 

I don't follow UFC and only watch catch the highlights on ESPN, but I totally agree with you here.

 

Possibly, and maybe with good reason. If Rousey were to lose, the promotion has lost some of its luster.

UFC on the whole is at a crossroads, at least in my opinion. I know that buy rates are actually up, but outside of Conor and Rousey, the marketable stars aren't there. The controversial Reebok sponsorship / uniforms has some fighters unhappy, and while I'm not as into it as I used to be, I don't see a lot of young stars coming in.

Rousey is HUGE right now. I still think she takes Cyborg, and I think handily, for a lot of reasons, but I also think there is a lot of risk. I'm convinced Dana is protecting her, simply because her marketability is massive.

 

I don't know, I am bored with Rousey. It's the same thing every time. No opponent comes close. Far too predictable. I think a loss for her would actually be a good thing. Let's say she lost to Cyborg, the next fight is automatically in place with a rematch, and then a possible 3rd rubber match if they are even at that point. Another fight with Tate, at this point, has no appeal to me. I hope Holly Holm keeps progressing and is close to being a title contender.

McGregor is a promotional machine, and is doing the most out of all of the men. Props to him. I cannot wait to see him fight Aldo.

There are other great fights coming along.............Cerrone/Dos Anjos, Mir/Arlovski.........the list goes on and on.

 

Good points Dan. EXCEPT as good as Mir/Arlovski sounds, how sad, this is what it's come to???? Two has bins making some noise.

Holm's stand up is ok. But she has a LONG way to go to be a contender in MMA.

 

Has beens? Haha, I'm sure they would disagree! Nevertheless, especially in Arlovski's case, they are on a bit of a tear right now. Heck, Arlovski is ranked 4th in the UFC HW division. I wouldn't be surprised if the winner of their fight is granted a title shot.

Guys like Liddell, Ortiz, Hendo, Shogun, etc. maybe can be considered "has beens", but draw an enormous amount of attention, because that is who a lot of fans still want to see.

 

I'm not saying it's dead, I'm just saying they are lean with "stars". A Rousey loss might be a good draw IF it's a close one. If she gets pummeled, it's over Johnny.

Heavyweight is a mess. I love Werdum, but he's not marketable. Cain was that guy, he got drubbed...now it's questionable if that air of invincibility will be back. There was a lot more interest when Lesnar was around...like it or not.

Anderson - done. Jones - don't know what to say there, but the guy blew it. Weidman - must be a completely quiet dude, because not much promotion there. Aldo? Dillashaw? Mighty Mouse?

There has to be a reason why this fight isn't happening, and all I can come up with is the risk is too big at the moment. Maybe I'm 100% wrong, but Dana calls the shots - he said it won't be at a catch weight and it won't be at 145...why???

 

Spot on - I have no interest in Arlovski / Mir. Has beens for sure in my opinion.

Funny thing is, the Dillashaw / Barao fight was of interest to me - that it was shown for free was awesome...might have been PPV worthy. After that, meh. Unless the Dominator can get healthy, or Conor beats Aldo and Edgar / Conor go at it for 3 epic fights, there's really nothing I am looking forward to.

I'm not sure I'm even that excited about Rousey / Cyborg...Justino is getting old, how much longer will she do this? Shogun Rua is about the same age, the guy looks and sounds like he's getting punchy (and while I was never a fan of his, I do wish he would retire...has a wife and a little girl...it's time).

 

Cyborg is only 2 years older than Ronda. 30 & 28.

 

Anyone watch Shields vs Palhares in the last World Series of Fighting event? Palhares continually groped Shields' eyes, even after being warned by the ref. Then today, Palhares is dissing Shields in the media. And of course, he held onto the submission at least a couple of seconds after Shields tapped and the ref went in to stop it.

The guy is a freaking psychopath, and needs to be permanently banned from MMA. He is unstable and dangerous.

Thoughts?

 

Yes, but her first fight was 2005, vs. 2011 for Rousey. Cyborg has absorbed way more damage than Rousey has...her "30" isn't 30 IMHO. She's had to go into the final round(s) five times, and that's not counting going the distance in the kickboxing match against Jorina Baars, where she took a good beating.

Neither fighter has fought anyone of note - at least in my opinion...the only "good" fighters are Rousey, Cyborg and then - MAYBE - Tate. Jedrzejczyk and Gadelha could be close, but hard to say other than the fight they had against each other.

One could argue Coenen was solid, but Cyborg dominated her, and so did Miesha Tate. While it's difficult at best to triangulate, we know what Rousey did to Tate both times (albeit, Tate did well second fight).

Oddmakers - an eerily accurate bunch - have Rousey as the favorite FWIW. Short of the fight coming off, we'll never know because anything could happen...I'm just of the opinion that it would be a long night for Cyborg.

 

I saw in 34 seconds EXACTLY what these chick and most of the boxing world saw. Read article.

Ronda Rousey Warned to Stay Out of Boxing by Layla McCarter and Amanda Serrano | Bleacher Report

 

"When Ronda said she can beat any BJJ girl in grappling, several champion grapplers were offended and started calling her out. Rousey then responded by telling me she'd gladly roll with them if they paid as much as the UFC did. I have a feeling she'd have a similar answer to these boxers."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/8/7/9115181/female-boxing-champs-ronda-rousey-rookie-ufc-mmaQuote Unquote.

Is it obvious Im not that impressed with this girl?

 

I love her, I think she's great!

But I hate it when people (like her now) behave like this. So I am starting to lose a lot of respect for her.

"I'll gladly roll with them if they pay as much as the UFC does?"

Lol, please!!!!

Just stick to being the UFC womens champ and be a people's champion also. Everyone loves the good guys and girls in sport.

Hitting back with all this talk of her fighting men in the UFC, Mayweather, women boxers and BJJ women is making her look and sound stupid IMO.

She is confident, but she is starting to look stupid now.

 

Anyone catch UFC's event this past weekend?

Perhaps the biggest robbery I have seen to date........Dariush getting the win over Johnson. Baffling! Worst call by the judges ever!

 

A true Champ goes up in weight to challenge their skills.
Read This Ronda.
Chris Weidman: I'm not leaving MMA without fighting Jon Jones | FOX Sports

 

Exactly!!!

 

I agree with all of this - just stick to the business at hand. I feel the same when actors / musicians talk politics, no different here.