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  1. REMIX

    REMIX Two Time F1 World Champ

    This is what I'm seeing thus far:

    FLASH: APPLE FACES A REBELLION OVER ITUNES... Universal Music Group, the world's biggest music corporation, notified Apple that it will not renew its annual contract to sell music through iTunes...

    Nothing else is being reported right now. This could be a pretty big blow for Apple.

    I want to be around for those negotiations. :)

    RMX
     
  2. anunakki

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    This is going to get really interesting.

    As big as Universal is I wouldnt want to be odd-man out against the Apple juggernaut
     
  3. MikeZ_NJ

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    Typical. UMG is the worst.
     
  4. lesterm

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    Didn't Apple just become the third-largest music retailer in the US?
     
  5. rmk

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    Completely foolish on their part.
     
  6. Agni

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    Universal just gets dumber and dumber by the years. It prolly has something to with the fact that Apple supports Blu-Ray and Universal is the only exclusive studio on HD-DVD. Blu-Ray is leading by a lot, and yet they hang on to HD-DVD.

    CEO of Universal needs to be fired.
     
  7. ADON

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    Who buys music these days anyways?
     
  8. Agni

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    I do via iTunes and i also buy CD's for albums where i like atleast 3-4songs.
     
  9. lesterm

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    If music sales are any judge, then millions of people...
     
  10. REMIX

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    Story and link (finally)

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Universal Music Group, the world's largest music company, has declined to sign a long-term deal with Apple Inc.'s (AAPL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) iTunes music store, leaving open the possibility for exclusive deals with other services, an industry source said on Sunday.

    Universal, which produces one in three albums sold in the United States, will continue to sell music via iTunes on a month-to-month basis, rather than be locked in to a two-year agreement Apple had proposed, the source said.

    The music company could now agree to offer significant portions of its repertoire exclusively to new partners, potentially weakening Apple's dominant hold on digital music retail.

    The two sides had extended a previous two-year agreement by 12 months last summer, and that deal expired last month, the source said.

    An Apple spokesperson was not immediately available.

    Universal is owned by French media giant Vivendi (VIV.PA: Quote, Profile, Research)

    © Reuters 2007. All rights reserved.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN0128300220070702?feedType=RSS&rpc=23&sp=true
     
  11. ADON

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    Strange that they would do that. I wonder what thay have in mind. Maybe trying to go it solo and sell directly? Withdrawing totally would be stupid. Then people would just go download the songs for free.
     
  12. REMIX

    REMIX Two Time F1 World Champ

    From NYT today:

    July 2, 2007
    Universal in Dispute With Apple Over iTunes
    By JEFF LEEDS

    Steven P. Jobs, the co-founder and chief executive of Apple, is an emerging force in the mobile phone business, thanks to the snaking lines of gadget fans who queued up last week to buy the iPhone. But now he faces a headache in an industry Apple already dominates — digital music.

    The Universal Music Group of Vivendi, the world’s biggest music corporation, last week notified Apple that it will not renew its annual contract to sell music through iTunes, according to executives briefed on the issue who asked for anonymity because negotiations between the companies are confidential.

    Instead, Universal said that it would market music to Apple at will, a move that could allow Universal to remove its songs from the iTunes service on short notice if the two sides do not agree on pricing or other terms in the future, these executives said.

    Universal’s roster of artists includes stars like U2, Akon and Amy Winehouse.

    Representatives for Universal and Apple declined to comment. The move, which comes after a standoff in negotiations, is likely to be regarded in the music industry as a boiling over of the long-simmering tensions between Mr. Jobs and the major record labels.

    With the shift, Universal appears to be aiming to regain a bit of leverage — although at the risk of provoking a showdown with Mr. Jobs.

    In the four years since iTunes popularized the sale of music online, many in the music business have become discouraged by what they consider to be the near-monopoly that Mr. Jobs has held in the digital sector — the one part of the music business that is showing significant growth. In particular, Mr. Jobs’s stance on song pricing and the iPod’s lack of compatibility with music services other than iTunes have become points of contention.

    By refusing to enter a long-term deal, Universal may continue to press for more favorable terms from Apple or even explore deals to sell its catalog exclusively through other channels. If Universal were to pull its catalog from iTunes, Mr. Jobs would lose access to record labels that collectively account for one out of every three new releases sold in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan data.

    But if Apple were to decide not to carry Universal’s recordings, the music company would likely sustain a serious blow: sales of digital music through iTunes and other sources accounted for more than 15 percent of Universal’s worldwide revenue in the first quarter, or more than $200 million. (Vivendi does not break out revenue from Apple alone).

    If push came to shove and Universal decided to remove its catalog from iTunes, it might not necessarily instigate a broader insurrection against Apple. The second-biggest corporation, Sony BMG Music Entertainment, recently decided to sign a new one-year contract making its catalog available to iTunes, according to executives briefed on the deal. A spokeswoman for the company, a joint venture of Sony and Bertelsmann, declined to comment.

    Some industry observers have cautioned against taking on Mr. Jobs directly. “When your customers are iPod addicts, who are you striking back against?,” said Ken Hertz, an entertainment lawyer who represents artists like Beyoncé and the Black Eyed Peas. “The record companies now have to figure out how to stimulate competition without alienating Steve Jobs, and they need to do that while Steve Jobs still has an incentive to keep them at the table.”

    But other music industry executives say the major labels must take a harder line with Apple at some point if they are to recalibrate the relationship. In particular, they say, it is unfair for Mr. Jobs to exert tight control over prices and other terms while profiting from the iPod. Mr. Jobs, in February, noted that less than 3 percent of the music on the average iPod was bought from iTunes, leading music executives to speculate that the devices in many instances are used to store pirated songs. (Of course, users can also fill their players with songs copied from their own CD collections.)

    Apple has now sold more than 100 million iPods, and the device’s ties to iTunes have helped make Apple the leading seller of digital music by a wide margin. The iTunes service accounts for 76 percent of digital music sales, and the contract talks come as it is on the rise — Apple recently surpassed Amazon.com to become the third-biggest seller of music over all, behind Wal-Mart and Best Buy, according to data from the market research firm NPD.

    All of that has transformed Apple into a prominent gatekeeper, wielding influence as a tastemaker by highlighting selected artists on iTunes storefront, and as an architect of the underlying business dynamics.

    Apple has stuck to a pricing system that charges a flat 99 cents for a song since iTunes started four years ago (except for the recent introduction of songs without copy protection, which carry a higher price). Mr. Jobs has long argued that a uniform system and low prices will invite new consumers and reduce piracy.

    But some music executives have been chafing at the flat rate that Apple has insisted upon in its contracts with the big record labels, and they have been pressing publicly or privately for the right to charge Apple more for popular songs to capitalize on demand or, in the event of special promotions, to charge less. Edgar Bronfman Jr., the chairman of Warner Music Group, reinforced that idea at a recent investor conference, saying “we believe that not every song, not every artist, not every album, is created equal.”

    In the backdrop of the pricing dispute is an investigation by European regulators who are studying the roles of the music companies and Apple in setting prices in certain international markets.

    At the same time, Mr. Jobs has refused the industry’s calls for Apple to license its proprietary copy restriction software to other manufacturers. Music executives want the software to be shared so that services other than iTunes can sell music that can be played on the iPod, and so that other devices can play songs bought from iTunes.

    Mr. Jobs has argued that sharing the software with other companies would increase the likelihood that its protections would be cracked by hackers, among other problems. Instead, he asked the music companies to drop their insistence on copy protection altogether. So far, only one of the four music companies, EMI, has made a deal to sell unrestricted music through iTunes.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/02/business/media/02universal.html?ei=5065&en=1b940de192f6dfd7&ex=1184040000&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
     
  13. wingfeather

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    I'm still waiting for the day I can purchase full bit-rate music. Highly compressed lossy audio sucks. Until then...
     
  14. SefacHotRodder

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    You can dowload FLAC in places (illegally)
     
  15. djui5

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    Sure, go buy a cd.


    F'k the music industry...
     
  16. DMC

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    Makes sense for Universal. While everyone thinks that iTunes is the greatest thing since the CD, the music companies don't like the proprietary AAC format and the lock that Apple has on the iTunes store, and the proprietary hardware. Now that EMI is offering non-DRM'd MP3's (which will play on on a wider range of devices), Apple may be losing their lock on online music. It will be interesting to see how this battle goes.

    Personally, I would buy music if it were available in non-DRM, 192 kbps MP3. I may renew my eMusic subscription, they keep adding new artists all the time, but are still pretty limited.
     
  17. wax

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    Smart move on Vivendi's part to play the pay-as-you-go game rather than get locked in to proprietary format on someone else's terms. They're not new at this game or situation, by any stretch. If you don't know already, for 2 years, UMG owned what was the original legal mp3 download site - emusic.com. They sold it for what might be regarded as a paltry sum now - less than 25 Million. Now, they, along with the other members of the Big Four have nothing to do with mp3 services, because of the lack of DRM in mp3 format.

    That's all well and good to protect themselves from being freely up/downloaded from P2P, but, why take a bite out of Apple? Maybe because there's a Heinz 57 of online music services, they're hoping Apple will budge a little, maybe they don't like the 2-year lockin; but, these guys didn't just wake up one day, and say, "aw, fughedouboudit."

    Note comparo of DRM between these services.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_music_stores

    More comparisons on other sites are linked at bottom of page
     
  18. MikeZ_NJ

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    Having dealt directly with UMG over certain web properties, I can say first hand that they are extremely difficult to work with - rather than modernize and try to strike deals that make sense for everyone, they not only dig their heels in, but they try and seemingly digress technology-wise.

    I thought that Techdirt had good commentary this past week on the Rolling Stone article about the death of the RECORDING industry:

    TechDirt url:
    http://techdirt.com/articles/20070628/111645.shtml
    Rolling Stone url:
    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/the_record_industrys_decline


    It's always easier for them to litigate rather than innovate. It's sad, particularly because they pit the fans against the artists even though they're both getting screwed.
     

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