US 488 Pista Base and Options Pricing

You ever tried to get a GT2RS allocation at MSRP here in the US or the UK?

 

There is a GT2RS spot in the classified section for $195K plus MSRP right now. Been chasing one of these for a while. Impossible to get unless you want to pay these type of prices. The PISTA will be similar I believe.

 

there will be far more pistas than gt2RS's imo
can't see it trading at +200k

 

In all cases, having a history with your dealer means a lot, especially with buying and selling cars back. I believe the GT2 RS is only being sold up to 1000 units, which won't be the case with the Pista coupe, production will carry until the end of the 488 cycle, which may even go past that depending on demand and order fulfillment rates.

Often times, new cars with very high demand get sold to dealer mules, who just sit on it and never physically take possession. That same car is then sold in the open market "Pre-owned" well above list.

 

No, there is no limitation on the GT2RS production. Currently, they are projecting 2500 cars for the world, which roughly translates to 700 cars in the US market. This is very similar to the 458 Speciale production numbers.

My dealer is selling their allocations to their VIP customers at 100K over and 175K to new customers. This is pretty much the norm for any SoCal Porsche dealers.

So what's worse? Paying 150-175K in adm or buy a Lusso that depreciates just as much? In the end, it's all the same.

 

I would submit it's not the same. At least with the Lusso, you get to drive and enjoy an actual car, even if just for a few months. The Porsche route just goes straight into their pockets. If you are a car lover, you can still find some joy in a Lusso with a 650 hp 12 cyl (or V8T) engine, a luxurious interior, and some useful cargo space even if it's not your forever car. We all eventually take the wife or family out to dinner. I found I can fit a cello or an electric guitar and bass in there with two passengers, no problem. Do I "need" to take my kids to School of Rock in a Ferrari? No, but that doesn't mean it isn't kind of fun .

 

This whole thing about dealers charging over MSRP for new cars makes me sick. It feels so sleezy and underhanded. They should simply take the orders first come first served at MSRP and let the secondary market sort out the rest. It’s a shame that the manufacturers let dealers get away with it.

 

your comments relate to porsche dealers and this is an fchat thread on pista options, so lets please stick to that

 

It's still relevant. The only difference is that Ferrari dealers sells MSRP but can resale immediately as second hand at "market price". So often Ferrari dealers will impose a sell-back clause at MSRP to their clients, essentially taking money of their client's hands, and getting the full "ADM" when the dealer sell the car again as an used car.

Same difference.

 

That's free market - if there are people accepting to overpay, THEY are the cause of the problem
I wish buyers would be more reasonable, that would improve my situation...

 

Amazingly, I actually had to sign a buyback agreement for a Lusso T so perhaps they are starting to just do a boilerplate for all purchases. Guess they were worried about me selling it for OVER MSRP . Any takers???

 

I have bought 8 new Ferrari’s in the past 9 years. Last month I picked up an 812 I ordered. I have never been asked to sign a buyback agreement.

On the Pista I still don’t qualify to get a Pista but my dealer is trying hard with Ferrari. Fingers crossed.

 

Strange you don't qualify with your purchase history. Something is wrong with that.

 

I was told because I don’t do Ferrari events like, driving school, attend an F1 race or attend pebble beach. In other words - I don’t kiss butt!! Never have, never will.

 

Kiss Butt? Seriously? those events are incredible. You are missing out on a major benefit of being a Ferrari customer. No one spoils their customers like Ferrari. Seriously, set ego aside and attend their events. Go to Pebble this year.... it is in a month...

 

On this I disagree completely.

 

OK.

 

That would imply he actually wanted to do those things in the first place, no? If he hasn't gone to any, it's probably because he doesn't actually care about going. He's not skipping them out of spite...

 

Wow some of these responses!? What's wrong with 09Scuderia saying you won't know what your missing until you try what's on offer?? I'm yet to go to anything yet but when the time presents I will and it sure wont be to kiss anyone's butt!!

 

Still,you are buying enough cars to overcome simply not attending events. Purchases speak for themselves and I'm sure you are also trading back your cars to your dealer so they are making double the profit on each car. Buying 8 cars in 9 years at an average price of 350m is 2.8mm, so 5.6, including trades. Have a heart to heart with your dealer. Perhaps they are not trying hard enough for you. Say that that a Pista is something you really want for past and continued patronage of moving 5.6mm in cars through them and, in a nice way, if they can't get it done for you, you would have no choice but to go next door. Have the same exploratory conversation with the nearby dealer. One of them should be able to loosen up a Pista for you.

 

Just to expand on this. I live in a market that my dealer has 6 customers that are LaFerrari owners and each one always gets a special edition. That immediately takes out 6 cars they get allocated. They have numerous other customers that purchase a lot more Ferrari’s than I do.

Of the 8 Ferrari’s purchase 3 are still in my possession. They have resold several of my past cars 2 or 3 times since I owned them.

I have had very civil and business conversations with the owner. He is trying his best to convince Ferrari to allocate a Pista to me. I have no issues with my dealer and they have been wonderful.

I have been fascinated by Ferrari since I was a little kid. What they produce is nothing less than art work and amazing technology. I am a true loyalist. My trip to the factory was nothing less than amazing. Something I had wanted to do for years.

As to events, I was told Ferrari has a “checklist” for each customer and I think someone above mentioned a point system. My understanding is yes they do. They don’t just look at purchase history but they looks at event attendance. There are several reasons I have not attended the racing school - time due to other commitments and cost. Just for the school alone $13,500 for 2 days! I have thought about attending a F1race and going to Texas. Again time is an issue and to be in the Ferrari hospitality area the cost is about $6,500.

Everyone decides what their passion is and how they can accomplish it. Mine is driving these treasures and having a smile on my face every time I start one up. The factory visit was a must for me. The other Ferrari events if they happen they happen if not, then every day I start mine up exceeds my expectations of ever having the ability to own a Ferrari.

If ultimately my dealer says they tried their best to get me one and Ferrari said no, so be it it won’t change my passion for Ferrari one bit. We should all be able to enjoy what we have and I can say I am having a blast.

 

Clockem, well written.

Curious, if your dealer had allocation for 6 LaFs that means your dealer has 6 very very high level priority 1 or 2 clients. They will always be offered the hard to get cars before others will. How many Pista spots will your dealer ever be offered?