USA Challenge Stradales For Sale (spreadsheet list)

A few weeks ago I posted a question asking if people thought the population of Challenge Stradale offered for sale had dropped. Providing a service to all interested readers, a fellow Stradale owner attempted to document all known cars for sale. The behavior exhibited towards this gentleman by a few posters, a moderator included, has been deplorable. Apparently one garners the Moderator moniker not by virtue of their valuable contribution to FerrariChat, but by the sheer volume of posts to the board. Yes, I know that the web is basically a sewage pool and brings out the worst in people more often than it brings out the best.

One of the things I enjoy about the car hobby (sport) is how it consistently brings out the best in people. Attend any show, open track and most races and you will experience great camaraderie. People are friendly, helpful and welcoming.

To see this BS exhibited on an car enthusiast discussion board is simply a damn shame.......

Gary, I triggered this thread with my original query, and for that I'm sorry. You are a true gentleman and I hope your contnue to enjoy our hobby and your cars despite the jerks FerrariChat has attracted.

 

Gary, as you've learned, this is a tough crowd, definitely stay out of the politics and religion section. Suggest you just move on and drop this thread.

If you just talk ferraris these guys are great, just quit the marketing stuff.

 

For anyone thats interested, there is a Rosso Corsa WITH factory stripe and only 900 Miles at Formula One Sports Cars in Miami, asking in the $190's. Just traded in by Indy Car Racer Tony Kannan ............................

 

don't want to hijack the thread but.....

if/when 430 Stradale, GTB, Light - whatever you want to call it - is released, where do you see the values of 360 CS's going next year?

 

That's a very interesting question that's worthy of speculation.
-Peter

 

The same thing the 430 did to 360 prices. I predict wholesale prices will be sitting between 120k-140K within 12 months.

 

Stephens, are you saying the US Wholesale Market on a Stradle will be $120-$140k within 12 months? I don't think so for one reason, look at the late model 360 SPIDER prices that are holding their own against the 430 Spiders trading for big bucks. I can see the early 360 Coupes dropping a bit, but even with a 430CS (or whatever they call it), I think the 360CS will hold its own as the new car will probably be a market adjusted price of $300K.

 

$120K-$140K?

I don't see Stradales going for money that low in a short time, maybe an abused car will, but not for the norm. There aren't that many Stradales in the USA for them to go down in price or demand so as to drop in value so quickly.

 

If they go to $120K, I'm selling my F430 and buying one for me and one for the wife. I don't see it happening though. BTW, Gary, you definitely have the best CS on the market (assuming it still is on the market). If I didn't just get my F430, I would absolutely be interested. Don't let the folks here get on your nerves...this site should be about the free exchange of ideas and information. I too found the information on the CS market valuable and wish there was more available for the 360's and F430's.

Steve

 

Big statement you are making. Tell you what, let's agree that 12 months from today, i agree to buy from you a US Spec Stradale, any of the standard colors(corsa or scuderia), less than 4k miles, clear title, no incidents, no BS car for 140k(i am paying you the higher of your so called "prediction"). If you are as smart as you are trying to make yourself sound, then you should be able to buy the stradale listed above in 12 mths for less than 140k and sell it to me for a profit. If you can't find it, then buy at the market and sell it to me for 140k. Deal?

Are you willing to back it up and put money where your mouth is? I am.

 

Wholesale, not retail. Expect dealer selling prices to be 15-20K above this.

 

Make that two bartender (which is apparently where stephens is spending his time!).

 

Time will tell. US prices are inflated right now because of summer, but to nowhere near the level that has been implied recently BTW. Come winter, prices will drop 10-15K, just part of the seasonal selling cycle. Cars will be out of warranty next year, CS specific problems still not reolved by Ferrari for cars that are actually driven as opposed to the garage queens some of you here seem to want, means the owners will be footing the bills. Once the 430CS is officially announced this will further pressure prices, which will then drop to my predicted levels. Once the 430CS actually starts deliveries, those who can't get them at list are going to be looking at big premiums for flipped cars, which will make the 360CS a comparative bargain, causing a firming of prices.
Just my 0.02

 

What makes so many, so sure, the release of the 430CS variant is "imminent"? It makes perfect sense to me, (and obviously Ferrari), that it would only come out at the *end* of the 430 model run, in *several more yrs*, just like the (one and only) CS did. To the best of my knowledge, which admittedly isn't very thorough, wasn't the f430 was just recently introduced? It seems some of you guys are putting the cart *way* before the horse.

 

The reality is that you can virtually spec the current F430 to a CS spec without the Jenny Craig interior.

On F430, you can order:
Carbon Ceramic Brakes
Race Seats
Challenge Wheels
Carbon Fibre in the engine bay
Challenge Rear Grill
The standard F430 exhaust is virtually the CS exhaust
The current F430 Challenge does not produce any more power than the road going F430 so I wouldnt expect any more in the F430CS. The only other substantial difference is the replacement of the e-Diff.

So what could we realistically expect in the F430 CS, an even lower front air damn and a stripped out (more) carbon fibre interior, lexan windows and a 50-100kg max weight loss ????

Oh, I forgot the Stripe.

 

I think you're leaving out some of the key components that make a CS unique, for instance, the whole car is lowered with Titanium springs, Titanium lug bolts, and a lightweight Lexan rear window.... side windows too if so spec'd. It is much more of a purpose built machine than even a similarly spec'd 430.

 

Is there a chronological order to your list?
Are the sales listed at the top much earlier than the cars at the bottom or vice-versa?

 

Red w/ Stripe, 4k miles going up for sale, prolly 185 - 190 range (not mine!)