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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by joe sackey, Jul 6, 2007.

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  1. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    My MK-IV had NACA Ducts in 1967. I'm at the NART reunion this weekend as they invited 0846 and P 4/5 and I'll ask Dick.

    Best
     
  2. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    The info being gathered on these pages is really helpful to the publication Im working on.

    As of this morning Materazzi clarifies it is the GTO Evoluzione that was tested at FIAT and NOT the F40!

    BTW any questions for him, I'm happy to ask, for the benefit & clarification of all.
     
  3. of2worlds

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    Here is a question> what was the significance of the yellow number like 4 or 6 in the side window of the prototype F40 models? Were there any other numbers used besides those two?
    Wait, there is more.... what motivated the change from 5 vertical rear fender vents on the prototype F40 models to only 4 on the production versions? Thanks
    CH
     
  4. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Great questions. I will ask...
     
  5. joe sackey

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  6. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 World Champ

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    We have adequate information from fairly reliable sources ;) (NASA, PF, Ramaciotti book quotes and photos, wing plan forms, Fiat wind tunnel specs, CRF history brief, etc.). Quoting Materazzi requires ownership, especially when some of this info could be used in a book. Please note more than a bit posted here by me is copyright various sources.

    The fact the Obassano tunnel is incapable of the needs to develop the F40 or the 288/288evo seems to have impeached the issues brought per the "father of the F40". With all due respect and recognition of Materazzi's other tasks, it seems to minimize the rest of the team's (see multiple intro forum photos you've posted) work as well.

    Comments that Enzo only passively signed off on it and it was driven by Materazzi either make the believers that the F40 was the last car Enzo had a hand seem deluded, or disrespect the Enzo.

    I assume you have the factory F40 introduction video interview with Enzo and his comments throughout. Does not seem like an uninvolved, impassionate, infirm discourse. He visibly brightens during the discussion.

    BTW, really nice production for late 80's, with 125, nice Drogo 250, and F40 lapping together. Had cams like the LM's in a SWB, hysterical how it sputtered when clutch let out on the film.

    There are some inconsistencies of various kinds below. Guess that's an issue before generating a learned tome ;) After all, "stereotypical rages of pure nonsense" make good web traffic for Rob, but aren't conductive to collegial copyright sharing.

     
  7. joe sackey

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    Yes I have that.

    When you are sharing detailed information, simply for the sake of sharing, I can only appreciate that.
     
  8. Sfumato

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    Clarifying a different car that still has more performance than can be measured in the FIAT tunnel isn't clarifying anything.

    In spec page of Fiat wind tunnel brochure, both the max wind speed (200kph) available and downforce measurements possible are inadequate for the Vmax and downforce/lift generated by the F40, or anything else quick/generative of huge downforces, for that matter. -200kg->+200kg most coordinates, only -100->+100kg lift per corner.

    It is not possible to test anything outside the limits of the tunnel. Period. So unless they only tested it to 200kph, and pegged all the data acquisition meters at max, yielding zero useful information, what would be the point of using the tunnel?

    Also, your book comment has more than a few of the posters here displeased. Posting info to share is one thing, but using it for a book is completely different. Had the thread been labeled as such, or consent from the cadre of posters here for research assistance been obtained, then it would be less bothersome.

    A member here is reknown for internet IP law. The info in this board actually is RL's, if I understand correctly, but the copyrights to various photos and info are either the originators of same, or the permitted posters.

    Marcel Massini who is another member here, I'm sure you know, is quite familiar with copyright issues on various boards. So ultimate use/dispositon of data herein needs to be protected.

    This issue of intended use needs to be spelled out in detail in the thread by you as creator of work based on info here. Source and end use issue is huge problem, especially since it is mentioned 3000 posts into the thread.

    Not really my problem, but it was during your receipt of info from me that you did not have that you mentioned the book. I actually do not assent to use of info I have provided here for any product/media outside this board. Thanks.
     
  9. joe sackey

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    Carefully noted.
     
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  11. wax

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    On that note -

    Long ago, on another thread far, far way, even with credits to original author/source, the percentage of members who feel this way about other member/author using/copying/borrowing information the aforementioned members have otherwise "shared" on this site is frightfully high.
     
  12. Drew Altemara

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    Data point for the F40 at RM that went for $420 from Rick Cary in latest FML. And I paraphrase:


    89888. Red with red cloth. Unrestored original 2- condition. Hammer sold at $420,000...Good paint and interior. Seats are not worn. 5,398 miles, all original (except for a Tubi muffler) and in very clean, sharp nearly showroom condition. Belt service performed. Includes books and records. This is real money for a real car. Etc……….


    Again just a data pricing point for those that keep track of such things.
     
  13. ttforcefed

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    wasnt this the car that allegedly had some stories a bunch of posts back? not sure what came of it after that.
     
  14. Drew Altemara

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    That's what someone a while back posted; stories, repaint etc. Who knows.

    The remarks from the review in the FML from Rick Cary do not reflect that.

    I just thought it was interesting to have the analysis, although brief, with a recent price point.
     
  15. ttforcefed

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    amen!
     
  16. joe sackey

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    Thanks for that, which I also noticed in FML.

    "2- condition"...... "5,398 miles"..... "$420k". The only really important details.

    I love the fluff in auction summaries. Makes for entertaining reading!

    2 minus condition, yet he says "sharp nearly showroom condition". Did I miss something? If that was nearly showroom condition, well, never mind...

    "Good paint & interior"? Depends how you define good. Not to me it wasn't. Id substitute the word "good" with 'OK' or the words 'not bad'. But that's just my critical eye as I cast it upon a car usually with designs of dispensing somebody else's money.

    "Seats are not worn". Hmmm, OK. How about 'some fraying around the seat-belt apetures and some staining' ? Perhaps that would be more accurate.

    "This is real money for a real car". Classic non-statement! Id love to see the deals where fake money changes hands for a fake car. Sounds silly if you think of it like that, doesn't it?

    Brief though the report was, he could have spared readers the agony and made it even more brief: "2- condition, 5,398 miles, $420k" would have sufficed. None of which I disagree with, by the way. And at that number, both seller and buyer should in fact be very happy.
     
  17. spg993tt

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    great purchase by that guy! 420 steller price for the buyer, probably reflects a seller who just wanted out, wasnt worried about nor counting the last dollar and just didnt want to schlep it back home and have it around. probably not duress but just capitulation.
    to me, i think the guy got an awsome machine i hope he hammers hard for many many years to come!
    kudos to him!!!

     
  18. ttforcefed

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    amen!
     
  19. Napolis

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    Don't forget 420K's hammer.

    Buyer paid more and seller got less the difference going to the Auction House.
     
  20. joe sackey

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    Already clarified I think.
     
  21. ttforcefed

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    joe, is a post like this really necessary?
     
  22. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Yes.

    You see, in order to find this car a new home, a spread of approximately $84,000 was made by the agents.

    I want to remind that we often find new homes for these type of cars for a spread of less than $15,000, with less exposure, and more privacy.
     
  23. ttforcefed

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    oh ok, because to those of us who cant read or write, it just sounded like you were being an ass. thanks for the clarification.
     
  24. joe sackey

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    Pleasure, anytime.
     

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