Here's a video clip with the sound of Aston's new V12 Twin Turbo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slg6L4gm1aQ I wonder if we'll be hearing similar from Maranello in the not too distant future?
Sounds good, suits an Aston. But not a Ferrari. The 488 sounds quite good, obviously not as well as an NA V8....but I really have my doubts if Ferrari can make a V12 TT sound halfway decent. Pagani failed. Fingers crossed Ferrari sees sense and just downsizes the engine and adds some batteries instead to meet emission regs. Full weight of a twin turbo system is not exactly light (neither is a battery system, but somewhat comparable if I'm not mistaken).
I think turbos are just an intermediate solution, a little like the single clutch auto-manuals. Once batteries becomes lighter, cheaper and more reliable majority of sports cars will adopt the NA+Battery solution. Imho, Porsche 918 is the future.
When was the last innovation in battery technology? As far as I can tell it was the late 80s/early 90s with LiON. I know they are trying but I agree until we get these things weight and complexity down its not a realistic solution. I think we will see turbo and I agree its likely an intermediate solution- but it could be some time. Aston sounds good but, to my ears, the turbos sound distant and a bit muffled. However, the times are changing and everyone has to adjust.
Breakthrough in battery technology is not very far away. With the world moving to mobile platforms and battery life being a significant limiter there is a real and substantial financial incentive in place now to spur research.
Spoke today with a Ferrari chief engineer who told me new f12 subsistute will be v12 biturbo and ff v8 biturbo
That's a strong post. It's been thrown around a lot. Can you add any credibility to it? No disrespect intended
Pleased to hear confirmation, well I am not really, of what I have been posting with others for some while. The logic is irrefutable
Alas I have found that (especially in the last 10 years) lots of things are plausible, logical, ... and wrong. Especially if we are told them by governments.
The consensus is that the FF will still (thankfully) be V12 in Western countries but a TT V8 may (or may not) be offered in selected countries.
I've got a DBS which I'm trying to sell. Trying being the operative word. I bought it at the right money and took it straight to my local sports garage to flog for me when the weather improves. Personally I was very disappointed by it. The indicators felt like they came from a ford....oh wait I think they did. The engine was nice yes, it sounds nice....but its no match for the F12. Perhaps the aston is a gentlemans car by way you could drive it long distance and yes be happy, its classy and in fairness its beautiful. But the F12 is better in every single way, apart from looks. The V12 turbo sound personally doesn't excite. Long live the NA Ferrari V12 for me!
I would hope you are right but I'm skeptical. We are fast approaching the 10 year anniversary of the iPhone, the king of mobile devices. I am certain Apple had as big a push as possible to get the best battery technology possible. Yet, the basic battery technology in the iPhone hasn't improved at anywhere near the pace of the innovation in the rest of the phone. Granted, in its first version the iPhone wasn't the colossus that it (and the entire smartphone/ mobile device market) is now. But the point is, every new version brings new demands for vastly improved battery technology- and if this demand cannot spur innovation in battery technology- what can? I stick to my original thought- I've been told by too many people who know what they are talking about that the V12 will go turbo- maybe not next year for the F12-M but it will go turbo. There is really no where else to go. And so long as they are using something other than the ultra expensive CF from the LF for the vehicle structure, they will not go with any kind of hybrid- the weight and complexity are just too much from an engineering and profit margin stand point.
This makes sense to me also. As far as batteries ... it's about the laws of physics ... certain limitations and very slow growth. They will improve but it's not technology/software ... it's physics.
Mobile phone batteries actually have come pretty far since the first iPhone. We just don't see much of an improvement in battery life because phone makers use the extra power to run faster chips and hotter hardware.
Im not so sure I would say pretty far but no doubt the batteries of today are better- but- has the pace of improvement kept pace with the improvement in other areas? Seems to me the tech has incrementally improved. What's needed is is a revolutionary new battery technology. I just follow this stuff for fun so I certainly don't know it all, just having fun discussing with you guys.
Fully aware. Their engines are bespoke build by AMG, their exhaust bespoke build by MHG out of inconel and Titanium. It still sounds ****. So no...I don't really have faith. The best sounding V12 turbo was the EB110; and it sounds rubbish compared to any NA V12.
Can you ask him why the biturbo as Ferrari engineering previously stated that the motor would require a quad turbo to do forced induction properly? Remember, they ultimately were able to greatly increase power while reducing emissions and staying NA. Just couldn't fit four of them in there with all the intercoolers and the plumbing. Could not properly control the heat as well. Would be interesting to hear the chief engineer's response.
I think that is a very hopeful request. Why not ask him the power figure of the new motor whilst you are at it!
