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Value: 575 vs. the TR

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  1. TheRealLaFerrari

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    #1 TheRealLaFerrari, Aug 7, 2015
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    Had some back-to-back seat time this afternoon, in 2 of the most iconic recent F-cars that comes to mind. Same twisties (with a bit of highway driving to clear the lungs), same weather, twice over, once in a late 575 and once in an early Testarossa. Here is my verdict:

    Styling:
    Where the 575 – especially in in Nero Daytona (with its subtle sparkle) – is achingly elegant and plain stunning, the Testarossa is wild, bombastic and hits hard where it counts (i.e. all the time, from every angle). Front-engine grand tourer with timeless, graceful lines versus mid-engine bruiser, with outrageous everything, from its strakes to the rear-view mirror (this TR is a Monospeccio) to the headrests – the TR is no wallflower, and one of the most iconic automotive designs ever. Being me, the 575 and its subtlety get the nod but another day and another setting, the tide could be turned…

    Performance:
    The 575 is a 200 MPH rocket, and will eat the TR for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Really, there is no competition whatsoever. Knockout punch: 575

    Feel:
    Where the 575 flies, the TR teases, flirts and generally knows how to arouse your interest, and keeps you coming back for more. To feel the 575 you need a track, or to be the president of the police union, as the limits are too high for mere mortals and on public roads. This 575, being a Superamerica, bestows a 2nd (and completely different) flavour, as an open top car. With the top down, it is pure magic, even when you are putzing around, and for this alone, worth the price of admission. However, ignoring the wind in my hair, the TR, at (somewhat) sane speeds, is more engaging and more thrilling to drive. With less power and less weight (yes, the TR is surprisingly lighter), you have more time to feel and enjoy the build-up, especially the mid-range punch that will put a huge smile on your face, every single time. Not a complete knockout, but definitely a point for the TR.

    Sound:
    The 575 – equipped with the factory exhaust – has a brilliant yet somewhat subdued sound (and in the Superamerica, only heard with the top closed, which counters the spirit of the car… what a conundrum!) The TR on the other hand is equipped with a mild aftermarket exhaust, no catalytic converters, and a most glorious flat 12. Not too loud, but loud enough to catch your attention. Maybe if I had the top closed in the SA, it would have had a stronger chance, but today, it’s the TR.

    Interior:
    The 575 is retro-modern; it has beautiful analogue gauges with idiot proof ergonomics, plus a very handsome cabin. The 575 will give you quiet satisfaction every time your eyes wander. It is also equipped with every creature comfort you can imagine or want. Whether the Daytona seats, the round air vents, or perfect mix of leather, aluminum and chrome – it all comes together to form a timeless and stunning driving environment. The TR is simply retro, with quite a bit of drama – drama to enter/exist, drama to fit your wells inside the wheel-well, drama when you want to see anything behind you… As an occasional driver, I would (kindly) refer to the TR’s interior as soulful and endearing, but really, there is no competition here – victory goes to the 575.

    Transmission:
    I will likely get no support on this one, but here it goes: The 575 performs at such a high level that anything but the F1 system would be an injustice, and would rob the car of its “kinetic energy”. Driving it in “manual” paddle mode offers the best of everything – inter-activeness with instantaneous shifting, allowing the car to continue its stupendous performance trajectory. The TR on the other hand needs the gear lever. It starts to run out of breath as it approaches its redline, and it is the gear-lever that releases its second wind, over and over again. In the TR, the gear-lever fits like a glove, and is cathartic. Call it what you want – for me, the 575 without the F1 system would not be a 575, and the TR without its gated shifter would fall flat on its face. A perfect tie if you will.

    Maintenance:
    Hands down, the 575 is the easier of the two to maintain and run (ignoring the problems that some Superamerica roofs have had). It is much cheaper to run, and generally is at your beck and call 24/7. The TR is from a different era, one where taking the engine out to change a belt was part of the initiation rite. It often leaks (nothing major but enough to stain the garage floor), has power windows that need a trans-Atlantic flight to finish winding up, and in my TR’s case, non-existent metric tires that were likely specified by the same chap who decided the engine should come out to change the belts. Clear victory goes to the 575, right? Except that I like being part of the TR fraternity. Yes, it can be expensive and annoying at times, but so would being with a Hollywood starlet, and who wouldn’t want that? Ask after my next belt service and you might get a different answer, but today, the TR wins, by the slightest of margins.

    Ownership Experience:
    While the 575 is stunning to look at and drive, and surely a future classic, the TR is already a classic. Neither is a daily drivers (for me), and neither is a track car (although I am sure both would offer added kicks on a track). As an occasional driver, for perfect days, to hit that perfect sweet spot, the TR, with all of its idiosyncrasies and annoyances, offers a more visceral experience, one that satisfies more of my senses, more of the time. Today, the Testarossa took the pie :)
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  2. 88Testarossa

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    OMG...what a great post! Thanks for sharing 😎


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  3. Elsi

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    #3 Elsi, Aug 8, 2015
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    Thanks for this great write up and comparison of these two cars!

    I own both: A 575M F1 HGTC and a 512 TR and both are my daily drivers (well, I have other cars if I don’t want to show up in a Ferrari). I feel the same about the transmission (although I don’t want to start a new discussion about F1 or stick shifts…): The F1 fits the 575M perfectly where the manual gearbox of my 512 TR exactly fits the TR (well, there is no other option for this car…). So I have both worlds and like pulling the paddles in my 575M and rowing through the gears in my 512 TR.

    I would not give points for the different disciplines to the cars. They have their own character and it all depends what you prefer. Of course it is best if you can have both :)

    Markus

    PS: The performance of my 512 TR is not as bad and it sits better on the road as the 575M IMHO. If you know how to drive a 512 TR it can be quite a fast car. Of course there are many improvements from a TR to a 512 TR, so that the difference between a TR and a 575M is more significant.
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  4. Themaven

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    Beautiful cars, Markus. I can attest to the stunning 575M in this picture having been shown around it myself by Markus last year.
    Best of both worlds and, OP (sorry to repeat my comment in your other forum) great post.
    Now next a 512M vs 550 vs 575 comparison would be interesting.....EVO or CAR did something similar.
     
  5. stardoc

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    I own a Testarossa and 550 and enjoy the drive of the 550 far more. I think in terms of design the TR is the super car of it's time versus the 550 which is more of an understated Maserati-esque look. Totally different cars but I think my 550 would trash the TR (or 512) on the track.
     
  6. ozziindaus

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    Very well written assessment. Maybe Darius can publish it ;)

    I can certainly attest to your POV on the TR but I think ownership (maintenance) costs can be held in check as more and more people familiarize themselves with these vehicles. They are easier to work on than I would have thought even though I've struggled the first time. Saved loads of $'s doing so. Once I master the Major, I think I'll be down to a few hundred bucks a year and enjoying ownership all the more so.
     
  7. ross

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    nice write up.
    try the 512tr, i think you will find it much more performant.
     
  8. Melvok

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    #8 Melvok, Aug 11, 2015
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    Welcome here F friend TheRealLaFerrari, you seem to be a Rookie and Not Subscribed ... pitty !

    What's your name pal ?

    Please fill out your name and place; this helps in future ... and subscribe for these louzy few $$$ !

    It's NO comparison: 575 vs Testarossa. All that has been written here above is true but .... and not .... :D

    Friend Markus / Elsie did a perfect write-up about the two imo !

    Completely different vehicles .... so my advise .... go and testdrive them !
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  9. Themaven

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    OP is definitely a journalist in the making! (Or maybe actually a journalist?), it's a great read. Markus still for me wrote the definitive post on TR and 575 though he's too modest to link to it.

    Once I put enough miles on my 550 I plan to do a 512M/550 report. Circumstances mean the 512M has seen more driving to date. But it may have to go in GQ first!
     
  10. Elsi

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    Thanks Darius. Here is the link: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142390917-post6.html

    Maybe I was too lazy and not too modest to publish the link :D:D:D

    BTW: Here is the link to the thread when I bought my car: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/412811-proud-new-owner-512tr.html



    I am looking forward to this article!

    Markus
     
  11. rpissm

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    To each his own and all that, but to me the 550 and 575 are bland, from a styling point of view. Especially compared to the TR!

    And of course they're faster / more civilized; the 575 is a good 10 years newer than the TR, and came about at a time that Ferrari HAD to update how they made and appointed their cars. Coming off the lackluster, unreliable 348, Ferrari was getting their butts handed to them in the quality department by the imports, as well as Mercedes etc.

    To me, the 550 / 575 is the car Ferrari HAD to design, the TR is the car Ferrari CHOSE to design.
     
  12. F360-1386

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    I own a 512M but have never tried the 575M; however it is good go know a bit more here about 575M vs TR. tempted to get the 575M into my stable ...
     
  13. sherrillt

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    Nice write up - I personally have always loved the 575 SA and it is one of the VERY few cars that could make me part with my 512TR if given the right opportunity - the glass top flipping is art in motion.
     

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