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Valve Cover and camshaft oil seals

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  1. GreigM

    GreigM Rookie

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    I have my 512TR in getting the belts changed just now and have been told that there are oil leaks from the rocker cover (valve cover) gaskets and cam shaft oil seals.

    So the usual kind of questions, how big a job are these to do when the engine is already out? What kind of cost would you expect, I'm being asked for > £1000 which sounds expensive when the engine is out.
     
  2. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

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    I wonder a little:
    you have let changed the belts. to adjust the timing right the valve covers have to be removed. then it is only about 1 more hour work to change the seals.
    so I think those who changed the belts have done not a real good work :(
    also when the engine is out they may check and adjust the valve clearance also. so how do they adjust when the covers are on?
     
  3. GreigM

    GreigM Rookie

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    #3 GreigM, Sep 18, 2013
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2013
    Interesting, as this is at a main Ferrari Dealer.

    The car was in for an 18K mile service + cambelts - is the valve clearance check part of the service schedule for 18K miles service?

    Does anyone have a copy of what should be done for an 18K mile service and cambelt change?
     
  4. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    These guys are not stupid. Assuming they looked at the car beforehand, they full well knew of these issues before giving you a quote. Even if they did not see the car - they should have had this discussion with you beforehand.

    Once the engine is out of the car and you are committed, then they came forward with the high profit margin 'information' upon which they can profit. Likely they quoted you a lowball price to "change the belts" knowing they'd add inflated scope/profit to your bill after you were committed.

    The REAL cost is when you drop the engine and NOT when you pop off the valve cover.

    Not much you can do now... live and learn. Subscribe to F-Chat and ask lots of questions. Lots of very qualified folks here will be of great help to you.

    For now, bite the bullet and do these tasks regardless. Be sure to replace the tensioner bearings and water pump as well.

    Find a quality F-Car independent and you'll be much happier next time. Use F-Chat to find somebody in your area.

    For F-Chat posterity, what dealer is doing the work?

    Gawd...

    Best Wishes, Vincenzo
     
  5. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    Isn't it in the owners manual - download at ferraridatabase if original book with car
     
  6. GreigM

    GreigM Rookie

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    Unfortunately there are no recognised independents in my country and only 1 dealer with Ferrari qualified mechanics, so without big mileage (500+) I am somewhat limited in choice.

    I have asked them to confirm why they are not taking the rocker cover off to set the timing, given they are a full blown ferrari franchise I would expect it to be done the correct way.
     
  7. turbo-joe

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    and what was the answer?
     
  8. GreigM

    GreigM Rookie

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    I am awaiting an answer.
     
  9. rustybits

    rustybits F1 Rookie
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    The covers should be removed to do clearances on that service. Changing the seals is easy at this point, then the cams should be dialled back in. That is the proper way of doing it...
     
  10. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

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    I agree. Those valve covers should come off to adjust valves. What a hose job trying to charge you more. It's a crock. I am very grateful to have a great mechanic on my side. Jim Magee at Pocono Sportscar. One of the select few that does it right. He's one of the best. Period. Just sucks that your in another part of the globe.

    R
     
  11. Shamile

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    +1!

    Jim is great. He has always taken the time to help me out with many of the technical issues I run into.

    Shamile

    Freeze...Miami Vice!
     
  12. GreigM

    GreigM Rookie

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    Got a good outcome to this - many thanks to the comments here....the dealer have reviewed the service schedule and agreed that the valve covers need to come off as part of the service agreed, so I only have to contribute a little extra for the camshaft seals.
     
  13. rustybits

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    Good news. And rightly so. "lock and swap" timing belt changes should be significantly discounted...
     
  14. turbo-joe

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    nice to hear this from you :)

    but as an official dealer he should have known this before he started this job. so be carefull with future works there. I´m sure he will try again to take you more money. only changing the seals he may not charge you more than 1 hour labor. even this is the max.

    but I also wonder how he was adjsuting the timing with the covers on? this never could work exactly. ok, it works, but not correct. so now he has to do the timing belt job again because he has to chnage the seals now.

    when I have an engine out I always replace those seals. if leaking before or not.
     
  15. Melvok

    Melvok F1 World Champ
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    I take it the engine is still out NOW ?

    What miles did it drive untill now ?

    You should have the diff / gearbox also inspected by now if mileage is about 35.000 or more ... Do read this carefully !
     
  16. GreigM

    GreigM Rookie

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    Thanks Melvok, I have read the thread of your gearbox troubles before. The car has 24,000 miles on it, is driven very gently and has no issues with gear selection. I have asked them to be aware of this issue and they haven't reported back any concerns, so am happy to leave the car as it is for now. May look at upgrades when the engine is next out.
     

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