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Discussion in '206/246' started by James lafevers, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. synchro

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    #26 synchro, Apr 30, 2019
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    I think yours looks about as badly corroded as my valve covers were on 05082. I had that white stuff (efflorescence?) creeping up in sections too.

    Here I place a freshly glass bead tumbled valve cover from Dino 05702 USA (top) next to a well used, corroded valve cover from 05082 EU-Italy about to be sent to Ollies in Havasu City for glass bead tumbling.
    That last photo shows the same casting now clean with amazing luster.
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  2. carguy246

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    Yes, that is what I was trying to describe. Tumbled cover looks new.
     
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  3. Motob

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    It may look "new" to you, but that is not what the early mag cam covers looked like when the cars were new. They were a dark grey finish, of which is apparently from the Dow7 process. Now the cover has no protection from corrosion.
     
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  4. synchro

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    I hit it with a light coating of rattle-can clear matte, but you're right it is exposed.
    Then again, it took 10 yrs of my ownership to age that way and I put more km on that Dino than all prior owners combined, so perhaps it will be OK for a few years.

    What are you using on Cam covers since Dow7 is discontinued ? I saw Matthias' restoration cam covers and they look painted, perhaps the only way to replicate?


    Forgot to mention, the USA cam covers on 05702 are heavier than the EU-Italy mag alloy ones on 05082.
    Some of our Dino castings are absolutely gorgeous pieces of art.
     
  5. rosemeyer

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    As others have mentioned on this thread, the 206 and early 246 cam covers ( as well as the oil filler neck, the cam end caps and the distributor spacer) were magnesium and were treated with DOW7. Like Cadmium plating which is now harder to get but not yet extinct, DOW7 is still out there.

    Last year I attended a trade show and stumbled on a small booth that was filled top to bottom with DOW7 plated mag parts. The exhibitor was a low run producer of parts in specialty alloys, including magnesium. They struck me as very competent in my brief chat with them. For those interested, here is their name. Perhaps they'd be willing to include some Dino parts in one of their runs?

    Lite Metals Company (litemetals.com)

    A note that the final finish depends on a myriad of factors including the age and condition of the parts themselves. Don't be surprised by considerable variances in the finished product. Trying to match an 'ideal' colour is a recipe for frustration and a sure fire way of being kicked out of the plating shop :)

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  6. racerboy9

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    I strive for originality but sometimes you have to punt. If it were me and my cam covers were too far gone to be presentable, I would find the color that you think is closest/correct for the Dow7 coating and refinish them with zinc chromate primer and then the color coat. Baking the parts after a few days can achieve a finish almost as durable as powder coating.
     
  7. DinoLasse

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    Paul (rosemeyer) is absolutely right: The Dow 7 chemicals are out there and available, and at least some platers appear to be doing the process. Here is source for the chemicals, for example:

    http://www.chemical-supermarket.com/product.php?productid=652

    And here is a plater who lists the Type III (Dow7) for magnesium passivation on their web site. And in Anaheim, in environmentally concious California, of all places! I don´t know if I misread their info or if it is an old web page, but it may be worth giving them a call:

    https://techplate.com/magnesium_processes.htm

    I did a lot of searching on this subject because I plan to do my valve covers and other magnesium parts later on. Here in Sweden only two platers do magnesium passivation and they both use the yellow type which would look completely wrong. I will consider sending them to the US if it can be done there.

    If anyone finds success with this or any other plater, I hope you will post the results here.
     
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  8. rossnzwpi

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    Regarding the Magnesium cam covers (not to be confused with the aluminium ones on 246 and later cars, which are bare metal) - they need to be passivated through the DOW process or will corrode, even under paint. Aluminium corrodes to create a hard layer of oxidation that actually protects the metal, thus they can be left bare of blasted with an aggressive material, then left to corrode slightly and remain in that state.

    Magnesium must be protected and the more magnesium in the alloy the more important it is. Cromodora wheels and Dino engine parts were not the same alloy and therefore were treated with different versions of the Dow process. The Dow process creates a variety of colours depending on variables such as the length of time left in the bath, temperature, atmosphere and alloy. It is always a dull brown/orange/gold and even green. The wheels, especially have a green cast. Originally the Dow system was not meant to be the only long term coating but it seems Ferrari and Fiat did not apply any other coats to engine parts - although Cromodora did then paint the wheels. Many people have since added black or gold (to match the brochures set-dressed photos, which show all the magnesium components as bright shiny gold). Just Dow does not hold up well to salt water exposure or even water.

    WD40, like any oil will help with corrosion but it is not recommended because it acts as a water attractant to draw moisture from the surface IN THE SHORT TERM but actually holds onto the water long term and is therefore problematic.

    Dow is out of the business of hexavalent chrome magnesium treatments these days and many repair shops avoid the highly toxic process too. I'm looking at preserving my mag parts now, perhaps with Henkell's version of Dow or with the modern Pantheon Chemical's PreKote (which is non-toxic and used on aircraft magnesium parts). PreKote however will need to be painted. Here's a picture of my two early FIAT Dino cam covers - one as is, showing the golden Dow finish overlaid with a thin layer of black that is virtually worn away. The other is mag that has been wire-brushed of nearly all its Dow. You can see how pitted and corroded it is!
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  9. rossnzwpi

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    My guess is that Dow 7 was used on Dino engine parts and Dow 17 on wheels (Dow 19 can be used for touch ups). As PTI industries say (https://ptiindustries.com/services/magnesium-coatings/#toggle-id-):

    Dow 7 (Chemical conversion coating) is a good choice for both new and overhauled parts that have dissimilar materials such as inserts, or where conditions will tolerate a less robust and less costly alternative to Dow 17. Dow 7 is a chemical conversion coating which results in no appreciable dimensional change to the component. The surface of components coated with Dow 7 is changed to a brassy or dark brown finish depending upon the alloy. PTI can forward parts to local vendors for painting as well, saving our clients time and lowering shipping expenses.

    Dow 17 (magnesium anodize) is an anodic process that imparts a hard, corrosion resistant coating to all magnesium components regardless of alloy. The Dow 17 process results in a green or dark green surface finish that varies with alloy. After the Dow 17 process, the parts resistance to corrosive elements and abrasion are greatly improved and the surface is now ready for post-treatments including painting.

    Dow 19 (Chromic acid coating) Chromic acid, also known as Dow 19, is a treatment that is used on magnesium parts that need a spot touch-up to repair minor damage or a temporary coating to prevent corrosion between production processes. Parts can be coated with Dow 19 by manual application or by immersion in a tank of Chromic Acid. After Dow 19 coating, parts appear to be a brassy brown color but can vary slightly depending of the alloy. There is no appreciable dimensional change to the component from the Chromic Acid process.
     
  10. rossnzwpi

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    The chemicals used to prep the magnesium die cast alloy contain hydrofluoric acid which, according to chemical supermarket are:

    "**This is the most dangerous industrial acid in existence**
    Attacks calcium in bones. Strong irritant to eyes and skin. Highly corrosive to skin and mucous membranes. Toxic by inhalation and ingestion. Will attack glass specifically and generally any silicon-containing materials."

    No wonder it is banned in lots of places! I'm very inclined to use the PreKote non-toxic prep and paint it afterwards. Ids Berma does Dino engines and paints the cam covers to look like they are passivated. I think the matte finish and semi transparency of Dow 7 is pretty hard to achieve though.
     
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  13. rossnzwpi

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    Great work Fred. I'm about to do this to my 2 litre engine but am considering the non-toxic PreKote, followed by painting. Then of course comes the decision of what colour to paint it! Perhaps a matte finish approximating raw magnesium. Your black is a good choice and my cam covers appear to have an almost worn-off layer of black over the bronze-like Dow colour. It is interesting that in your "before" picture there doesn't seem to be any Dow 7 colouration.
     
  14. dgt

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    I’m looking to replate the mag parts below from my early E-series. The Cam covers are Aluminum but the end caps and distributor support were mag. I bought a filler to replace one that was missing based on the part number and received a mag part but it should probably be Aluminum, like the other filler.

    I had painted over the cam covers and these other mag parts on my L-series, much like others had done. Although successful the appearance is more like the dress up finish for display you see in early photos.
    I tried cleaning up the parts and applying wd40 but they are a little bit too far gone compared to what Peter has.

    Can anyone recommend a US business they have successfully used for replating magnesium?

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    cam covers aluminiun and filler & end caps magnesium is correct for your early E-series
     
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    Thanks Matthias!
     
  17. dinogts

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    I also have the same cam covers in aluminum, with magnesium for the end caps. Do you have an estimate as to how long the factory continued to mix them like that?
     
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    out of my head.... not many cars, probably full aluminium around #03000
    would need to check with owners.....
     
  19. dinogts

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    From looking at photos posted here and there, it looks like Ferrari periodically used magnesium or "Elektra" ends at least through the end of the 3600s.
     
  20. isuk

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    I have magnesium end covers on 03050 and had aluminium covers on 03342.
     

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