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  1. abstamaria

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    #1 abstamaria, Mar 17, 2010
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    Vanguard, a 45-foot International Offshore Rule boat, seen here at the 1977 Admiral's Cup, representing Hong Kong. With her flat deck, coffee-grinder, and IOR stern, she looks so different from today's sailboats.
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  2. dinogts

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    #2 dinogts, Mar 17, 2010
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    Andy:

    Great photo! Was Vanguard a 1 tonner? I can't tell from the photo for sure, but she wasn't fratcionally rigged, was she? I don't see any running backstays - but maybe I'm blind. Did she have PIYA number or another number?

    I have raced on 1/4, 3/4, 1 tonner IOR boats. The pinched IOR stern made virtually all of those boats pretty squirrely running a big spinnaker. Pitchpole gybed more times than I want to remember, and it didn't seem to matter what size the boat was if it was designed to IOR.

    Those were the days - no GPS so long races and night races were pretty tricky - just a compass, sextant, and radio direction finders and LORAN (if you were lucky!). Hard to work out VMG.

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    #3 abstamaria, Mar 17, 2010
    Hello, Mark,

    Yes, great photo. That was the cover of a 1978 issue of Sail magazine.

    Vanguard is a 2-tonner, about 43 feet; a one-off Ed Dubois design. She has a masthead rig, but also quasi running-backstays to control mast bend (she has a baby stay too for the same purpose). Yes, she was nervous (as was the crew) under a spinnaker, but not as frisky as a 1-tonner I used to sail on before her. Her boom is almost in the water in that picture.

    Yes, those were the days. We had no LORAN and had to rely on RDFs, using (sailing from Hong Kong on the China Sea Race) beacons in Japan and the Philippines. The margin of error was large or very large, depending on who was using the RDF. But a lot of fun.

    I sold Vanguard to go racing in the Lotus 23. She is still in Manila, and sometimes, when I see her at her mooring, I am tempted to buy her back. The IOR produced a distinct shape, not so stable under sail perhaps, but to me is still quite appealing. Just like our Dinos. A question of age, probably.

    By the way, I was thinking about your garage and was going to suggest that an Elite would be a nice counterpoint to your GTS. Maybe no need for the GT.

    Best,

    Andy
     
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    #4 dinogts, Mar 18, 2010
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    Hi Andy -

    Were you on the helm in that photo? Or up on the rail running the sheet? With regard to babystays, they always seemed to me to be for one thing - to prevent relatively easy gybes. Like I said, Vanguard looks great in the photo, now if you could have gotten her to surf . . . .

    With respect to cars, as I have posted before, I admit I am intrigued by series 1 Elites, or maybe something even crazier - an Alpine A110!?!? (I did mail the Elite club and got a nice email back, but I haven't followed up yet).

    Mark
     
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    #5 abstamaria, Mar 19, 2010
    I wasn't in the photo, sorry to say; Vanguard was sailing for the HK team then.

    An A110 is interesting, but the Lotus appeals to me more. Lighter, more agile, arguably prettier. And I reckon easier to restore than a 246!

    Good luck!
     
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    #6 Oceans Await, Jun 8, 2018
    HI Andy, is Vanguard still in Manilla?
     

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