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Very good article/preview on 2008 season

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  1. Lindsay_Ross

    Lindsay_Ross Formula Junior

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    http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=Martin_Brundle&PO_ID=41892

    The 2008 Formula 1 season sees a host of changes – headlined by the welcome removal of driver aids, a street circuit revival, and the first ever floodlit night grand prix.

    In the first part of his exclusive preview feature for itv.com/f1, ITV Sport commentator Martin Brundle examines everything that's new for 2008.


    Farewell to the gizmos


    The major regulation change for 2008 is the outlawing of traction control and launch control and the introduction of a standard ECU. It’s interesting to speak to different drivers because you get quite a variety of responses as to how much difference it has made and whether they enjoy and approve of the changes or not. Watching the cars on track, they definitely move around a lot more. That will lessen to an extent – it’s like anything in Formula 1, the engineers find solutions and ways of adapting – and the cars will become steadily more driveable. I think on a qualifying lap, with new rubber and a good track surface, there will be very little difference. But we are unquestionably going to see more mistakes, particularly on worn tyres or a wet track, more overtaking, and more spins. Early wet races could be especially interesting.

    We’re also going to see more variable starts, because the difference between a good start and a great start – getting just the right amount of clutch slip and wheelspin – is going to be dramatic. So we’re going to see a lot more movement off the start and down into turn one.

    I think all that is great. I firmly believe that knowing when to apply the throttle and by how much is a core skill that a racing driver should demonstrate corner by corner.

    Some people complain about curbing the technology but in that case why hasn’t an F1 car got airbags and ABS brakes? Or an iPod connector! I really applaud these changes. The drivers are going to have to work harder, and if it’s pouring with rain in Fuji they will have to drive accordingly.

    No more safety nets


    The loss of electronically assisted engine braking will also make a difference. During testing we’ve seen a number of drivers going off under braking. When you’re braking hard all the weight transfers towards to the front tyres, the rear wheels go light at the same time as you’re downshifting, and it’s very easy to lock the rears. Previously they had a number of systems to control this using the differential and opening the throttle barrels. Now the drivers haven’t got that safety net or the toys to calm the car down on the way into a corner. They’re going to need a bit more feel for the track conditions, and again we are going to see more errors. Interestingly, I’m told that 70% of any difficulties arising from the loss of technical gizmos are on the way into the corner and 30% coming out of the corner in terms of wheelspin. It’s going to require more finesse, and those drivers who are more precise and consistent in their brake and throttle applications will benefit. If they can still attack with some finesse then they’ll get payback; if they are brutal with the car they will be burning out their rear tyres too fast, or spinning into the gravel trap. Which of course we used to do a lot more – all those systems have been helping the drivers massively.

    Where I do feel a bit sorry for them all is that due to the engine freeze, many of the things that we used to do to improve driveability – with camshaft profiles, variable inlet and trumpet lengths, general engine architecture – are closed off. The characteristics of the current engine and tyres have been evolved around traction control. So I do sympathise that the cars must be difficult to drive, because they’re bound to be a bit knife-edgy. The teams will address that as the season develops.


    Long-life gearboxes


    The new requirement for gearboxes to last four races will be like engine longevity or parc ferme rules – the teams will just adapt to it and in a few races’ time forget that it hasn’t always been that way. I think the engine and gearbox regs are fundamentally commonsense rules for getting away from the disposable culture of designing parts to last 100 metres longer than the grand prix distance. If a car fails to finish a race, mind you, then they can change the engine and gearbox without penalty. A championship could be decided by a gearbox gremlin and a five-place grid penalty, but then it can be decided by a gearbox failure on race day or a freak situation with a backmarker or in the pit lane
    – you can go on ad infinitum.





    It keeps going, the full article is on ITV in the link i posted above!
     
  2. RP

    RP F1 World Champ

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    Thanks for the link!
     
  3. jknight

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    F1 has ceased to be the "pinnacle of motorsports".

    Carol
     
  4. tifosi12

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    No other car is faster around a track than a F1. How is that not the pinnacle of motorsports?
     
  5. Necx0

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    Agreed, after a summer spent watching V8 Supercars and WRC....seeing the cornering speeds in the ITV season preview just blew my mind. I still just can't get my head around how fast these cars are.
     
  6. fastback33

    fastback33 Formula 3

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    I watched the MotoGP night race in Qatar last weekend and to be honest, I was not impressed. I'd rather have it during the day to say the least.
     
  7. ItaliaF1

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    I fully agree; however, I still think this V8/grooved tires/new aero rules business is ridiculous. I know there is better passing in other series, etc., but none of them are as entertaining as F1, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
     
  8. ItaliaF1

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    +1

    I coudn't get myself to watch it anymore after Stoner got in front of everyone. That said, I really haven't ever been a huge motorcycle racing fan. It just isn't the same.

    BTW, sorry for the multiple posts, as I couldn't get the multi-quote button to work for me.
     
  9. ferraridude615

    ferraridude615 F1 Veteran

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    She's probably implying that the technological break throughs are no longer rampant in F1 because of all the restrictions being placed on the cars today. True, F1 cars are the fastest, but currently I think we are beginning to see that F1 cars are not as fast as they can be. I believe it was a Ferrari engineer who said that without any restrictions at all, they could take 20 seconds off a lap at Silverstone, and the only restriction would be the amount of G-forces the drivers could withstand.

    Also, F1 has begun to become boring recently. Only 3 or 4 drivers are contenders and the cars in the back get lapped once or twice a race.
     
  10. Lindsay_Ross

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    Well you just contradicted yourself. If it is in fact possible to go faster than the human limit, why have drivers? And if F1 is to be the pinnicle of technology at the expense of motorsport, as you've alluded to, then what's so good about that? NASA is the pinnicle of Technology. CalTech. MIT.

    F1 is still the premier MOTORSPORT. They are restricting technology in teh name of motorsport... more driver input, more reliability, more passing, more grip, hell, the lap times are STILL coming down. What's wrong with that? Especially a return to slicks...
     
  11. TopElement

    TopElement Formula 3

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    But their advances have bearly come to a stand still, while other series' are catching up. It's a shame the direction F1 has taken.
    The cars are still amazing, but other open wheel cars are becoming surprisingly similar.
     
  12. Lindsay_Ross

    Lindsay_Ross Formula Junior

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    All open wheel series have been similar forever. Formula is simple, unlike Endurance racing. I don't understand how F1 is losing ground as a premier motorsport.

    Like all sports, certain measures need to curtail the advantages gained through ongoing developments. I don't see anything wrong with that, its nothing new, and it keeps ideas and solutions fresh. If someone mounted an electro-hydraulic aparatus to their arm and therefore was able to throw 300 mph fastballs, do you think baseball would be better? And if not, should the banning of said device be instituted in the interest of the sport, and the attention on the athelete's skills? At what point do we replace all atheletes with robots?


    You know what makes the NBA the NBA? The talent pool. They move the 3 point line further and further back, to make the sport more challenging for those top atheletes. I think that is amazing.

    You know what? I think that F1 should make their cars even HARDER to drive. The harder your car is to drive, the less weight you should be allowed to run, and allowed things like turbos, etc. Make the drivers really show their skill and be the BEST DRIVERS in the world. If your car drove like a Ferrari 312 T5 with an attitude problem, you could have 1,300 hp and 500kg. If it drove like an F2002... 700 hp and 1200kg!
     
  13. jknight

    jknight F1 Veteran

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    Exactly - thank you. Any talk about "spec" implies no breakthrough technology. I agree about being boring of late. . . . Carol
    (last time I saw Brundell was at the bar in the UK with some blonde chick hanging on him) - you can read his comments and see how the "pinnacle" is becoming stationary.
     
  14. ferraridude615

    ferraridude615 F1 Veteran

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    I never said it wasn't. F1 is obviously the best form of auto racing in the world, but it is no longer the pinnacle. Meaning that it is no longer the showcase for the cars with the newest technologies and it is no longer as innovative as it once was. R&D is fighting for tenths of seconds by trying to improve old systems instead of discovering new systems that work. Engine development has essentially ceased with the engine freeze, leaving room for improvement only to aero, which is also restricted.
     
  15. ferraridude615

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    Robots have less emotions that a hungover Kimi Raikkonen.
     
  16. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I thought F1 has gotten a lot more interesting in the recent years. I hated it 2000-2004 as it was always the same guy on top of the podium. Predictable and boring. 2005, 2006 and 2007 saw new faces and was a lot more entertaining in my book.
     
  17. ferraridude615

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    F1 has been known for being the most technologically advanced series in the world with the best drivers leading to the best motorsport. With the FIA suppressing the R&D, the racing has actually become more boring. As it stands now, few teams have the ability to win the WCC because they are at such a large disadvantage. By taking away the restrictions, you could probably see the back markers doing better as the performance gap would decrease and more emphasis would be placed on the driver of the car instead of the car itself.

    Most of the technologies found in today's cars have been developed through F1 and by completely turning that off you hurt not only F1 but the entire automobile industry.
     
  18. ferraridude615

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    I do agree with you in this case, by removing/loosening the restrictions the cars will be infinitely faster and thus much harder to drive.

    I remember when F1 switched from V10s to V8s two years back, the drivers said that the V10 was a monster and very hard to control, while the V8 was a little kitten.
     
  19. ferraridude615

    ferraridude615 F1 Veteran

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    F1 has gotten interesting because of all the off-circuit antics (just like a soap opera), Alonso doesn't love Flavio anymore and leaves him for Ron, but Ron has another man in mind, Ron cheats on Alonso with Hamilton, Alonso starts crying, Alonso gets Ron in trouble, and Alonso goes to his ex Flavio.

    The racing is rather boring though, there are at most 5 viable candidates for WDC this year, with everyone else just showing up as grid-fillers and people to overtake as the front-runners are lapping the field.
     
  20. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    F1 got interesting in 2005 again because Alonso dethroned the champ. Right on the track.

    5 viable candidates for the WCC is boring? Hello! Where have you been in 2000-2004? There was exactly 1 viable candidate.

    I agree that the racing could be a lot more entertaining, hence my support for reversed grid. But calling it boring because of the specs elements is nonsense. These years it has more spec parts than in 2000-2004 and the racing is a lot better. It is not the spec parts that make racing more or less interesting, it is whether you have total domination by one team or not. And - I hate to say this as me too, I'm no friend of spec parts - more spec parts give more drivers an equal chance and thus enhance the racing.
     
  21. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1000
     
  22. Lindsay_Ross

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    Exactly agree with Andreas.

    All the points that are being brought up by Carol and ferraridude are not false, but in what way is any other series better/more technologically advanced than F1? I mean... the only thing I can think of that I don't like is the engine freeze. More choice and development of engines would be nice, again. Like when Renault were running a 111* Vee back in late 90s/early00's. At least allowing the teams different Vee angles will provide interesting solutions to their specific cars.


    One thing I do have a problem with was when someone said if the floodgates are opened, the back markers will have more chance of being competitive. Err... how so? The top teams would just crush everyone even worse with their limitless budgets and resources. Love it or hate it, the current restriction DO promote better racing.
     
  23. Senna3xWC

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    Welcome to F1. Outside of a couple of years in the early 1980s, this has ALWAYS been the case.
     

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