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  1. Ossie

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    Do the early glass Aussie cars have air injection? I thought that was only the US cars... The ADR's did change in July 1976 to bring in stricter emission controls so maybe that is related. My UK car was an April build so I didn't have to meet that specific ADR requirement during the engineering compliance.
     
  2. Aircon

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    worth every cent IMO :)
     
  3. Aircon

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    I haven't seen one with it still connected in 20 years, but yes.
     
  4. Ossie

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    #279 Ossie, Jan 30, 2011
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    Oh yes, of course, how silly of me! ;)

    Good point, probably something that isn't that difficult to remove either. So do you know if the equipment for this was installed on the passenger side of the boot firewall (i.e. where the dry sump tank is on mine)?
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  5. Horse

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    Yep, but think it could still have been fitted.

    I think they dropped the dry sump thing for costs.
     
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    #281 wrxmike, Jan 30, 2011
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    The air injection pump mounts on top of the rear cam cover, driven by a belt connected to a pulley on the end of the exhaust camshaft. The rear camshaft cover is different to accomodate the mountings for the air pump. I've never seen or heard of a RHD fibreglass car with an air pump.

    As far as I know, all the Australian delivered fibreglass cars had the twin distributor setup, which precluded fitting the dry sump tank due to space issues.

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  7. Aircon

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    Car was running well with water temp one needle width above centre with 40deg ambient.

    Luckily there was no traffic yesterday, as today, when the car was running even hotter, I realised the cooling fans had stopped working. Thankfully, this was while I was on the way to an auto elec!...and it was while the temp was 27 instead of what it was yesterday or is forecast for later. (39)

    Stupid old cars!
     
  8. greg246

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    Dry sump RHD glass cars were also delivered to Hong Kong


    This one

    http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=9380426&keywords=&trecs=8&__sid=12DDC358116C&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294966380%204294956748&silo=1011
     
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  10. Horse

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    It's had a Liberace?
     
  11. Ossie

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    I spoke to the owner about this one several months back as a friend of mine in NZ was interested. He told me that was how it had been delivered originally. I doubt that, more likely an accident repair that took the easy option at some point. Pity as the original glass bumpers are very hard to get apparently, lights/lenses are easier.
     
  12. greg246

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    Ad says it had the original wheels, wonder how unobtanium an original bumper and lights are????
     
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    I don't think you can get the original indicator lights.
     
  14. greg246

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    Gots to be a sauce somewhere
     
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    Tomato?
     
  16. Rock

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    light are long gone, siem units not carello's. I have never seen one of those rear bumpers for sale. The bumper is fiberglass and can be copied.
     
  17. Ossie

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    I managed to buy a new indicator lens (i.e amber without the reverse light) from Cavallino about 18 months ago. It was new and it was just the lens, not the body. No idea if they still have any.
     
  18. 360C

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    It will have the wrong manufacturer and details cast into it. B27 has the copies as well I believe.
    I managed to get a complete spare original for my car last year, they are all but impossible to find now.
     
  19. carl888

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    The reason why Australian 308 GTBs are wet sump is because of ADR27. That directive stipulated very strict idle emissions. The only way a 308 would pass was to retard the ignition at idle. Hence the R1/R2 points change over microswitch. Having a second set of points meant running a set of points above 1,100 rpm and another set below. Therefore the engines had to run twin distributors. Problem, the rear distributor sits where the dry sump tank mounts.

    So our Australian 308 ADR27 compliant engines are a bit of a hybrid, and unique to our market. Unlike the USA engines, ours ran only one air pump, had air injection but no thermal reactors (Later catalysts) of the USA cars. Our ignition timing was also retarded compared to the European engines.

    All carburettor 308 egines have identical compression ratios at 8.8:1 and all camshafts are identical too, except for the very early 1975 308 GT/4 engines where there was a little more lift on the exhaust cam. I am unsure of the exact change but I'm guessing its somewhere around chassis number 09500.

    An exhaust evaporative system was also fitted to the Australian cars, hence the lines on the carburettors and cannister sitting in the rear right of the engine bay. (Note, this also dictated a different header tank, and the cannister displaced that about 6" to the left).

    Incidentally, our 308 GTB's also received the USA specification transmission. Or more correctly, a GT/4 transmission. The GT/4 box has a slightly shorter 5th. gear compared to the European version. If you pull an Australian 308 GTB transmission down, you'll see "USA" engraved on the input shaft.

    You can claw back all the power and torque of the European 308 engines. You need to advance the ignition, change the carburettor jets but most importantly, change the exhaust manifolds and rear muffler. The Australian cars had the manifolds that were very slightly smaller in diameter to the European ones, and a more restrictive exhaust silencer.
    Of course the sands of time have ensured that most engines have been re-built or at least tweaked by now. It's very difficult to find a 308 with the smog pump still fitted!

    An Australian 308 GTB is very easy to spot. It will have the following:

    1. Wet sump.
    2. Engine will have a rough sand cast rear cam cover. The front one will be smooth like the European cars. Also, that rear cover will have a mount for the smog pump.
    3. Smog pump pulley or at least evidence thereof on the rear bank exhaust camshaft.
    4. Evaporative emissions system
    5. Compliance plate
    6. 20mm thick sunvisors (European cars had the thin 10mm ones with the press stud in the roof to hold them up)
    7. Exhaust manifolds wrapped in insulation.
    8. Large box type exhaust silencer
    9. A small letter "A" at the bottom of each glass panel. This was to indicate the lack of any tinting in the glass which was not ADR approved at the time. European 308s have no "A" and green tinted glass
    10. Full size spare tyre.
    11. Spare belt for the smog pump in the tool kit
    12. "Australia Version" owners handbook with a red cover.
    13. Air conditioning.
    14. Offset header tank
    15. Australian specification seat belts with the approval number sewn on the webbing.
    16. No Australian 308 GTB ever had the firing order plaque fitted. The air box simply had two holes where it was supposed to go. The reason for this remains a mystery.

    All Australian 308 GTBs had to comply with ADR27. My car, #19329 is the first Australian delivered 308 GTB, it was manufactured in June 1976, the month ADR27 came into effect.

    Regards,

    Carl.
     
  20. carl888

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    Of course, not to mention an "A" or and "AU" in the assembly number identifies an Australian car.
     
  21. carl888

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    That is the correct style sticker, it is a reproduction, not that it matters. The paint code was usually written with a scriber or a typewriter. Though on some very low volume colours I have seen in written in pen, even on the later cars. There is a Blu Scuro 355 and 512TR in Australia, both those cars have the paint code written in pen.

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  22. Aircon

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    Sounds like my car used to be an Aussie delivered car. Now it's extraordinary :)
     
  23. carl888

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    #298 carl888, Jan 31, 2011
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    Petey Pooh,

    I think our cars should be the same colour :) How lovely, two 308's in Toorak, owned by legends!

    Anyway, this is the heritage certificate for my car, so I assume that the factory should know the correct paint code for Azzurro,

    Love and kisses,

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  24. carl888

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    A bit like you, had a tap up the bum!

    Note, only USA glass cars lacked the reversing lights in the bumper.
     
  25. carl888

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    But he says the wheels are 15". No such fitment, unless it has 15" and bit TRX rims?
     

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