Vettel vs Webber - Aren't We Forgetting Something?

Some people say every point matters - what if its Webber with the lead at the end? It goes both ways...

Seb lost my respect last weekend. The only way he'll get it back is if he has a landslide victory, but pulls over before the finish line for Webber.

 

Webber cry baby.

 

Wasn't it so ironic. Both these teams had team order issues. At the same time))))
Both on the podium, ha! I wonder how much of Lewis's statements were implied to rub a little salt into the redbull wound))).

 

Yeah, or maybe Massa will be leading the championship, or Grosjean or Chilton
Vettel may very well need those points, Webber may need them to finish 4th or 5th.

 

Vettel's only issue is his lack of foresight to remember the team is bigger than he is. Period. They, Red-Bull created this all by themselves. No sympathy.

 

You mean like Brazil 2011.

 

Hahaha I forgot about that shot, he is one ugly bugger there, but fair dues to him like you said he is even on the make out of it.

 

Crikey! This racing for ****'s sake. The faster driver, in an identical car, if he can pass, should. Every time. No team order BS. No charity.
Webber is just a big ***** and should STFU, as should his whiny cry-baby supporters.
{flame suit on - fire away}

 

"Fire away." ? Ok then. You poor deluded creature. No true F1 fan wants team orders, at best they put up with them, but pretty much everyone wants them not to exist. What happened had absolutely nothing at all to do with whether Vettel could have overtaken Webber in a fair fight, or whether there should be team orders. Vettel accepted them. Then when it turned out they wouldn't help him he went back on his word and ignored them. He didn't pipe up on the radio "tell Mark the deal is off, I'm coming to get him." Or "I'm not going to stand by team orders." If he had I'd think a lot more of him. He made a decision to break his word while the team told Webber twice not to worry team orders were in force. I don't think there should have been team orders but what I think doesn't really mater. Vettel agreed to them right up until the point where it was 'inconvenient' to keep his word.

 

I concur. I think if Vettel was intending to race to the flag (an absolutely legitimate thing, in my view) then the proper thing would have been to communicate this over the radio that he was not going to obey an order to hold station. Then Webber could have been made aware and would have been able to fight fairly for the race victory.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

and there's no more to it than that!

Why people have to read more into it, I don't know.

 

Webber is Red Bull's Massa. He's good for a race win or two when the #1 driver is out of it, but in no real world way is he even remotely capable of winning in a straight fight, as was proven in the last race.
He should take his millions of dollars he is paid for being a good #2 and STFU

 

not true

not true

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tell the media circus that, they are the ones who kept badgering him while the situation was very raw

Do I think Webber will win the WDC, no, FA will when the Ferrari develops a little more

If people do STFU then they make video clips of them (kimi )

 

not true


Oh - you're an Aussie. Good on you for defending your countryman, but he still is no way even close to Vettel in an equal car

 

therein lies the problem, he is too close and that causes problems for the WDC

He is a top 5 driver

 

He wasn't in an equal car. I take it you saw the extended interview when Christian Horner explained that? No? Didn't think so.

 

As it happens I rate Vettel above Webber but it's closer than some think. My take on this is it's not really such a bad thing. RB are under the spotlight to prove they treat both drivers the same and a riled Ausi can be a pretty competative beast. I'd bet the two drivers are a lot closer this season than people think they'll be. Sit back, get the popcorn ready and wait for the fireworks. Can't wait

 

got a link to that interview please ?

 

I'd be surprised if Webber is close, but what the hell would I know?

I thought Lewis would smoke Nico...instead he needs team orders to keep Nico behind him.

 

This is some of it. Horner says Webber was having to run a lower fuel useage setup, seems to be saying for more than just a lap or so. Also says that Vettel should have been aware that Webber had to go slower due to tyre considerations. The whole interview was about 30 mins, so the rest is probably on youtube somewhere.

Edit: part 1 and 2 below

 

An irritated Ausi? Not close? I think you may be underestimating the 'red mist' effect. Vettel didn't actually sail past Webber with ease, he actually passed when Webber backed out of a corner, from what Horner said he had no choice - tyres, fuel. Let's wait and see.

 

I agree he is top 5, but certainly not close to being Number 1.
He should be the second best driver in the field simply because he is in what is currently the best car in the field, but he isn't. Put anyone else from Renault, Mercedes, McLaren or Ferrari in the Red Bull and they would be top 2 as well.
The reason he will never win, when Vettel is running without mechanical problems, is that Webber can't get his car off the grid. It is absolutely pitiful to watch him from a standing start. There is ZERO excuse for a top 5 driver to be unable to take the lead from pole or least maintain 2nd if that's where he started. ZERO!

 

Sorry guys, part 1 then part 2 here

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIfob1mv1Oo]Sky Sports F1 2013 - Christian Horner Interview with Ted Kravitz 1/2 - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapVavOVRR0]Sky Sports F1 2013 - Christian Horner Interview with Ted Kravitz 2/2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

I can't think of any scenario where Webber can possibly be top 5.

1) Hamilton
2) Alonso
3) Vettel (mix and match top 3 as you like)
4) Kimi (unquestionably better)
5) Nico Rosberg (unquestionably better)
6) Button (unquestionably better)

I'd say these guys are better too:
7) Grosjean
8) Sutil

Then Webber, Massa and the rest.

The Red Bull was definitely the fastest car last year, I don't think anyone could disagree. And Webber finished behind Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton and Button - all those guys are definitely better. The year before the RB was so superior that Vettel was over 120 points head of #2 Button, and Webber was behind him, and just a point head of Alonso. The year before that was his best, and he still got beaten by the Ferrari (which was pig slow that year) and just 2 points ahead of the McLaren (which was also pig slow that year).

He's a mid pack driver at best, IMO.

 

All of the Aussies agree, with good starts come good finishes and more points follow that line of thought AND Webber has failed miserably at his starts, but not at Monaco where he seems to concentrate and does well.

It makes you mad when he can do it some times but not for most of the races, even when he was with Jaguar it was the same story, qualify well and lose places at the start